Updated dry cathode battery - your thoughts?

[lonsomecrow]

I'm curious to hear your thoughts on Tesla's dry cathode battery, which is reportedly nearing production. As you know, this battery is smaller and lighter than traditional batteries, and it also offers a longer range.
I'm particularly interested in Tesla's plans for battery replacement. I hope they will offer a discount or other incentive to customers who want to replace their old batteries with the new dry cathode batteries. Otherwise, it would be unfair to those who have already invested in a Tesla vehicle.

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[ChristoN]

I'm curious to hear your thoughts on Tesla's dry cathode battery, which is reportedly nearing production. As you know, this battery is smaller and lighter than traditional batteries, and it also offers a longer range.
I'm particularly interested in Tesla's plans for battery replacement. I hope they will offer a discount or other incentive to customers who want to replace their old batteries with the new dry cathode batteries. Otherwise, it would be unfair to those who have already invested in a Tesla vehicle.

It’s one part of the battery process. They aren’t going to offer you anything. It may have some improvement on long term degradation but there’s no evidence to suggest higher energy density or anything else right now other than a lower cost of production. But I can assure you, Tesla isn’t going to replace your battery or anyone’s battery just like Apple isn’t going to upgrade your computer every time they improve their hardware.

 

[CTSoFL]

I'm curious to hear your thoughts on Tesla's dry cathode battery, which is reportedly nearing production. As you know, this battery is smaller and lighter than traditional batteries, and it also offers a longer range.
I'm particularly interested in Tesla's plans for battery replacement. I hope they will offer a discount or other incentive to customers who want to replace their old batteries with the new dry cathode batteries. Otherwise, it would be unfair to those who have already invested in a Tesla vehicle.

As I understand it, dry cathode is a manufacturing cost efficiency issue, not a performance one.

Do I have this right?

 

[lonsomecrow]

It’s one part of the battery process. They aren’t going to offer you anything. It may have some improvement on long term degradation but there’s no evidence to suggest higher energy density or anything else right now other than a lower cost of production. But I can assure you, Tesla isn’t going to replace your battery or anyone’s battery just like Apple isn’t going to upgrade your computer every time they improve their hardware.

My only concern is if it gives you more range (20% more)as I'm reading on x platform.

 

[ChristoN]

My only concern is if it gives you more range (20% more)as I'm reading on x platform.

Regardless, you’re not entitled to anything. It very well may have increased energy density, but nothing official has come from Tesla on that, it’s all speculation. The point is, you take a risk when you buy something like this. Next year they will have Hardware 5 or “Ai” 5 to replace hardware 4. Tesla isn’t going to change it for you because you bought a car with HW4. There won’t be any discounts, battery replacements or vouchers. Enjoy the vehicle you bought and upgrade it in 4 years when they’ve made a hundred other additional improvements in addition to the battery.

 

[ChristoN]

As I understand it, dry cathode is a manufacturing cost efficiency issue, not a performance one.

Do I have this right?

Supposedly, but it’s all speculation. Different outlets have speculated on optimization by doubling the thickness of the jelly roll and adding more silicon to the formula for more energy density but that remains to be seen. That will take some more time to test but now that they have solved the manufacturing variable, I suspect we’ll see rapid improvements over the next couple years.

 

[lonsomecrow]

Regardless, you’re not entitled to anything. It very well may have increased energy density, but nothing official has come from Tesla on that, it’s all speculation. The point is, you take a risk when you buy something like this. Next year they will have Hardware 5 or “Ai” 5 to replace hardware 4. Tesla isn’t going to change it for you because you bought a car with HW4. There won’t be any discounts, battery replacements or vouchers. Enjoy the vehicle you bought and upgrade it in 4 years when they’ve made a hundred other additional improvements in addition to the battery.

I do understand that. HW 3 - 4 and other upgrades took some time but they just pushed half baked battery with overpriced CT with really low range and then after 8 months you get a new battery with +20% range. This is not the right thing to do. I haven't heard of any other car company who did that in the past.

 

[ChristoN]

I do understand that. HW 3 - 4 and other upgrades took some time but they just pushed half baked battery with overpriced CT with really low range and then after 8 months you get a new battery with 20% range. This is not the right thing to do. I havent heard of any other car company who did that in the past.

Tesla isn’t really a car company. Again, all speculation. If you want to be the first to own a new product, caveat emptor.

 

[Cyberbully]

Regardless, you’re not entitled to anything. It very well may have increased energy density, but nothing official has come from Tesla on that, it’s all speculation. The point is, you take a risk when you buy something like this. Next year they will have Hardware 5 or “Ai” 5 to replace hardware 4. Tesla isn’t going to change it for you because you bought a car with HW4. There won’t be any discounts, battery replacements or vouchers. Enjoy the vehicle you bought and upgrade it in 4 years when they’ve made a hundred other additional improvements in addition to the battery.

They may change it for you at a cost. I paid $1000 for the hardware 2 or 3 upgrade in my model X


Maybe they plan to use these in the battery extebded range bed/vaul pack thing? Seems if they are lighter or more efficient it would be a great application for it

 

[igs]

after 8 months you get a new battery with +20% range. This is not the right thing to do. I haven't heard of any other car company who did that in the past.

They're swapping out people's motors for the new one, maybe they will swap out batteries too.

 

[ChristoN]

They may change it for you at a cost. I paid $1000 for the hardware 2 or 3 upgrade in my model X


Maybe they plan to use these in the battery extebded range bed/vaul pack thing? Seems if they are lighter or more efficient it would be a great application for it

They can’t do HW3 to HW4 unfortunately. They also changed the language in their purchase agreements that specifically says you’re stuck with what you have essentially. I saw this when I upgraded from my 21 model s to a new 24 model s a couple months ago. I don’t see them being able to upgrade from HW4 to ai5 since it appears that cameras are changing locations in addition to the new volt architecture, wiring harnesses etc.

I’m assuming everyone will still be able to get their extended battery packs. Not sure how that would work with different batteries though. I pushed my order back for a variety of reasons, talk about the battery being one of them. I’ll probably cancel it at this point and wait for the non FS truck. I’m sure they will change a lot of other things in the next 6 months. I figured the range numbers that were first disclosed were based on this process working by the time the truck came out, but only time will tell.

Enjoy your trucks! There’s nothing to be upset about. I’ll likely wait to get these new batteries but by the time I get mine, the hype will die down and people will have gotten accustomed to seeing these things everywhere and the cool factor will have diminished.

 

[txtravwill]

It's great they are progressing in battery tech, in time hopefully batteries will be much more dense while also lighter.

Why in the world would you expect some type of consolidation though? You bought a vehicle that meets certain specs when you purchased it. It's a product. It depreciates. It wears out, gets old, and your truck will be a heap of metal buried in a junk yard (hopefully some recycled) in the future when batteries have really progressed even more.

Disposable products. At best you get value, then someone else gets value that perhaps needs less range, until the value is too low for anytime. It's like an iPhone's cycles.

 

[lonsomecrow]

They can’t do HW3 to HW4 unfortunately. They also changed the language in their purchase agreements that specifically says you’re stuck with what you have essentially. I saw this when I upgraded from my 21 model s to a new 24 model s a couple months ago. I don’t see them being able to upgrade from HW4 to ai5 since it appears that cameras are changing locations in addition to the new volt architecture, wiring harnesses etc.

I’m assuming everyone will still be able to get their extended battery packs. Not sure how that would work with different batteries though. I pushed my order back for a variety of reasons, talk about the battery being one of them. I’ll probably cancel it at this point and wait for the non FS truck. I’m sure they will change a lot of other things in the next 6 months. I figured the range numbers that were first disclosed were based on this process working by the time the truck came out, but only time will tell.

Enjoy your trucks! There’s nothing to be upset about. I’ll likely wait to get these new batteries but by the time I get mine, the hype will die down and people will have gotten accustomed to seeing these things everywhere and the cool factor will have diminished.

Very well said.

I already paid $1000 and not sure if I can hold till 2025. They'll probably cancel and i wont get my $1000 back and lose my RN number too. That'll be sad!

 

[charliemagpie]

The motors had an issue.

The dry cell batteries are just the next model truck.

BTW, I think there is a case for increasing the truck's range. I wonder if they advertised dry cell with a longer range, who is going to buy now?

 

[ChristoN]

Very well said. I already paid $1000 and not sure if i can hold till 2025. they'll probably cancel and i wont get $1000 back and i lose of RN number too. That'll be sad!

I pushed my Cyberbeast (which was already delayed) further back by switching to the core wheels which put me in the oct/dec time frame but I highly doubt we’ll be able to push it to 2025. Definitely going to try lol. I think we’ll lose the 1000 bucks, however, if the battery energy density rumors are true, depreciation will hit the FS very hard and the 1000 bucks won’t feel like such a bad hit. Tesla won’t think twice about advertising more range. Look at what happened to the first 21 model s and x refresh buyers. A new Plaid went from 150k to 90k in a year. Same will happen with the CT if they can make it cheaper and offer more range to outshine the competition.

Another factor is HW5 coming at the end of 2025… I don’t think that’s a huge factor for me, but it will be significant for anyone wanting a fully autonomous vehicle. These issues are highly subjective. I plan on keeping it at the very least to the end of the warranty period. Patience is a virtue!

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