When do you think we’ll get our first CyberTruck model update? And what will it be?

[Balthezor]

Man I don’t know…. But I hope some of the hardware updates can be purchased and replaced on the trucks rolling out now.

Would be cool to be able to upgrade our existing trucks.

Yeah. They dont do that. Only thing they do is maybe upgrade the computer. I think they did that for the old Model S.

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[Woodrick]

Yeah that's what worries me... I have a iPhone 14 Pro... Maybe they'll allow the user to disable the charger via software?

There's much easier solutions.
A case that blocks MagSafe charging.

Or wait for it...... a highly technical solution.......
Flip it over.

 

[CTOWannabe]

I still think that physics is on my side.

If the mass is concentrated at the CoG, then in many ways, it is the same as being distributing. After all, that's the basic concept of CoG.
2 inches, yes, can be a lot, but it really isn't a lot, and the other option would be to lift the remainder of the truck about that, a much more problematic approach.

The battery space is for safety in the advent of an issue. Tesla doesn't want to hear the stories about the batteries catching fire anymore. They have redesigned the battery case to attempt to keep this from happening. The lack of expansion space for the gasses from a problematic cell is what they are fixing. If a battery starts out-gassing, they want to contain it.

But it all boils down to range anxiety. Nothing is good enough until you can get over it.

I purposely worked to overcome my range anxiety many years ago in my Leaf that got 88 miles range. We went on a trip that was over 50 miles away. And this was 8 years ago when charging wasn't littered all over the place as it is today.
There was a DCFC that had marginal reliability and a J-1772 or two at the destination. And of course, a number of 120V plugs. If things went well, we'd be back home in three hours, plan B meant 8 hours and plan C was a day or 2.
Things didn't work out as expected, the DCFC was blocked and only semi-functional, but we got the charge.

Having a vehicle with 300 miles is leaps and bounds beyond that. It also makes getting over range anxiety even harder. You'd need to take a trip at least 200 miles one-way to not be able to get back home. And there are so very few places that you can go 200 miles these days that you don't pass a couple of Superchargers along the way.

Um no, that's not how physics works. If you put a 1000lbs weight 100' above the truck that is attached to the bottom of the chassis, that does NOT bring the center of gravity down. Also concentrating all that weight in a small area makes it more like a pendulum, which is why pendulums are made that way. The heavy battery is much more than 2" above the skateboard. You can continue to think youre right, but youre just not. But hey, youre free to do as you like.

It is not anxiety for my use case. It may be for many, but for mine, I just do need the range. I agree with you, for most use cases, the mental block is a bigger factor.

Um, in texas, there are insanely MANY ways to go 200miles and not see anything. You really dont understand my use case. Yes, for many people what you say likely holds, but not for everyone, and not for me.

As always, YMMV.

 

[Woodrick]

Um no, that's not how physics works. If you put a 1000lbs weight 100' above the truck that is attached to the bottom of the chassis, that does NOT bring the center of gravity down. Also concentrating all that weight in a small area makes it more like a pendulum, which is why pendulums are made that way. The heavy battery is much more than 2" above the skateboard. You can continue to think youre right, but youre just not. But hey, youre free to do as you like.

It is not anxiety for my use case. It may be for many, but for mine, I just do need the range. I agree with you, for most use cases, the mental block is a bigger factor.

Um, in texas, there are insanely MANY ways to go 200miles and not see anything. You really dont understand my use case. Yes, for many people what you say likely holds, but not for everyone, and not for me.

As always, YMMV.

But it's not 100' above the center of gravity, It may even be at the center of gravity. Remember, there is a vehicle chassis surrounding the battery.

Being only a few inches away from an 8 ft slab, it's not a pendulum. If you look at the rotational points, the rear or front wheels going up or down, it's within the rotation boundaries of the main battery.

But let's me a little more realistic. YOU CAN"T ADD BATTERIES WHERE THERE ARE ALREADY BATTERIES. Sure, you may be able to place them immediate adjacent, but the CG of the added batter is still over an inch away.

But, most importantly, I'm sure that the Tesla Engineering Team has already done in-depth analysis and taken the impact of the additional batteries into consideration when designing the remainder of the vehicle.

 

[CTOWannabe]

But it's not 100' above the center of gravity, It may even be at the center of gravity. Remember, there is a vehicle chassis surrounding the battery.

Being only a few inches away from an 8 ft slab, it's not a pendulum. If you look at the rotational points, the rear or front wheels going up or down, it's within the rotation boundaries of the main battery.

But let's me a little more realistic. YOU CAN"T ADD BATTERIES WHERE THERE ARE ALREADY BATTERIES. Sure, you may be able to place them immediate adjacent, but the CG of the added batter is still over an inch away.

But, most importantly, I'm sure that the Tesla Engineering Team has already done in-depth analysis and taken the impact of the additional batteries into consideration when designing the remainder of the vehicle.

The Center of gravity is not up above in the bed. That you would assert that shows how important, yet ineffective the 100’ example was. That you dint get that evinces you’re not at the right level to discuss this further.

 

[Woodrick]

The Center of gravity is not up above in the bed. That you would assert that shows how important, yet ineffective the 100’ example was. That you dint get that evinces you’re not at the right level to discuss this further.

And how far below the bed is it to the top of the battery?
Remember, the seats are bolted to the battery.

 

[CTOWannabe]

And how far below the bed is it to the top of the battery?
Remember, the seats are bolted to the battery.

The more relevant question is how high above the center of gravity of the truck will the center of gravity of the THICK battery pack be, for starers. An and how does concentrating a great pendulum weight in a ~2'x2'x5' strip weighing say 1/4 the weight of the entire truck affect the center of gravity in 6 degrees.

TLDR, a lot.

 

[Woodrick]

The more relevant question is how high above the center of gravity of the truck will the center of gravity of the THICK battery pack be, for starers. An and how does concentrating a great pendulum weight in a ~2'x2'x5' strip weighing say 1/4 the weight of the entire truck affect the center of gravity in 6 degrees.

TLDR, a lot.

Well, that's the question that I asked. Since the CoG is probably going to be near the middle of the battery, known how far away from the battery the battery extender is going to be gives you it's moment.
But the CoG of the truck may be a couple of inches about the battery, because of the mass of the vehicle itself.

And my point is, it is quite possible that the battery extender isas close to the CoG as the main battery.

 

[Woodrick]

The CT visual design is 5 years old already. Although i agree with the poster about the SS being harder to work with for an exterior refresh, i do think it's past time Tesla needs to do something for the headlights as its showing its age and never was attractive imo

They could move the headlights to the ends of the light bar and keep the lightbar portion that would connect the headlights. A noticeable visual interior/exterior would not be hard to do with minimal, if any SS panel changes

I am so glad that the headlights or not near the lightbar.
I absolutely abhor trucks that pull up behind cars with their head lights illuminating the interior of the car in front of them.

By keeping them below the frunk opening, they are relatively hidden and provide good illumination.

 

[CTOWannabe]

Well, that's the question that I asked. Since the CoG is probably going to be near the middle of the battery, known how far away from the battery the battery extender is going to be gives you it's moment.
But the CoG of the truck may be a couple of inches about the battery, because of the mass of the vehicle itself.

And my point is, it is quite possible that the battery extender isas close to the CoG as the main battery.

It's not horse shoes. And even if it was exactly the same, that it's a concentrated strip of weight that makes the handling completely different as the truck experiences lateral forces. Youre just wrong.

Furthermore, if you look at a schematic and just even roughly sketch in the center of gravity of the truck say in the green dot, and roughly sketch in the pack, that is not even close.

It will greatly affect handling, and not for the better.

 

[Woodrick]

It's not horse shoes. And even if it was exactly the same, that it's a concentrated strip of weight that makes the handling completely different as the truck experiences lateral forces. Youre just wrong.

Furthermore, if you look at a schematic and just even roughly sketch in the center of gravity of the truck say in the green dot, and roughly sketch in the pack, that is not even close.

It will greatly affect handling, and not for the better.

Ok, you win.

Of course the battery isn't that long and it is mounted nearly a foot lower. You have it at the top of the bed. And it's only 1/3 the length of the bed.
No, I couldn't be right, that would put it directly in-line with your CoG, which is inches about the bed floor.

You win, Tesla will now go back and redesign the Cybertruck to include your expert analysis.

 

[CTOWannabe]

Ok, you win.

Of course the battery isn't that long and it is mounted nearly a foot lower. You have it at the top of the bed. And it's only 1/3 the length of the bed.
No, I couldn't be right, that would put it directly in-line with your CoG, which is inches about the bed floor.

You win, Tesla will now go back and redesign the Cybertruck to include your expert analysis.

Of course yorue wrong, but simply cant accept that. The battery is approximately where I put it.

And beyond that, of course a weight that far back from the center of gravity at the center of the car would have no effect on handling; there is no difference between rear mounted engine weights or mid engine mounts for that very reason ? /sarcasm.

Youre not at a level for this discussion: wrong, yet arrogant about it.

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