Winching...

[Matt Hanrath]

I like this idea! Only concern would be how the cable comes out? ?

It would use rollers no problem and may be better to think of using the existing motors for power. Engineering multiple possibilities is better than old school winches.
I think PTO & 3 point hitch front and back for implements for gardening/farming/construction.
Pipe dreams coming out of the whazoo.

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[ldjessee]

Winch rollers are pretty common:

 

[Ehninger1212]

It would use rollers no problem and may be better to think of using the existing motors for power. Engineering multiple possibilities is better than old school winches.
I think PTO & 3 point hitch front and back for implements for gardening/farming/construction.
Pipe dreams coming out of the whazoo.

Right, i was talking more about the fact that mounting the winch inside the frunk now you are basically leaving a giant hole in the frunk. Winches are normally mounted exterior of the vehicle. A roller fairlead is not going to seal anything.

 

[Ehninger1212]

Winch rollers are pretty common:

Yep, got one on my LR3. Hard part is finding ones that can take the abuse.

 

[ldjessee]

If you go here and scroll down till you get to the pictue of the hood or bonnet covering the frunk, you can see a big black rubber gasket/seal.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-y-hidden-features-tidbits/

I think that if they need to make the frunk air tight or just water resistant, Tesla, or many companies, can handle it.

 

[Ehninger1212]

If you go here and scroll down till you get to the pictue of the hood or bonnet covering the frunk, you can see a big black rubber gasket/seal.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-y-hidden-features-tidbits/

I think that if they need to make the frunk air tight or just water resistant, Tesla, or many companies, can handle it.

Sure, they can make it water tight.. i have no doubt.. but thats when said opening is closed. When you are pulling out line to winch and it is submerged under water or mud i dont think i would want that opening leading into the frunk or you will get a frunk full o Muck!

On the other hand, Maybe you could just Hose out the frunk??

 

[Dids]

Sure, they can make it water tight.. i have no doubt.. but thats when said opening is closed. When you are pulling out line to winch and it is submerged under water or mud i dont think i would want that opening leading into the frunk or you will get a frunk full o Muck!

On the other hand, Maybe you could just Hose out the frunk??

Darn I didn't think about being stuck with the muck higher than the winch outlet. Wait do the bumper mounted winches work when they are under the muck?

 

[Ehninger1212]

Darn I didn't think about being stuck with the muck higher than the winch outlet. Wait do the bumper mounted winches work when they are under the muck?

Yup, they sure do.

 

[OverlandCT]

any ideas if the same front recovery winch could be used somehow to pull stuff up the tailgate ramp? Maybe through rerouting the cable/synthetic rope or something? or would a separate winch be nescesary?

 

[Jungle Jim]

I am pretty sure that if customers demand it, a winch could be incorporated into the design. Its not like they lack the engineering capabilities. Personally, I think a winch could be hidden under the frunk and mounted to the body along with a couple recovery points on the front and rear.

 

[Ehninger1212]

any ideas if the same front recovery winch could be used somehow to pull stuff up the tailgate ramp? Maybe through rerouting the cable/synthetic rope or something? or would a separate winch be nescesary?

Sure you could, but i think it would be more cost efficient to run power and ground front and rear. Then you just have a mount which allows you to easily move the winch. People often do this and mount the winch to a front or rear hitch receiver. It would be pretty easy to have some sort of pad mounted in the bed which you could attach the winch to then quick connect power and ground, Same for the front bumper.

 

[TyPope]

Okay... I have a question for the group. The CT will have torque vectoring, right? I've been stuck in the mud a few times (once with a '65 Mustang. A pond was involved. Long story). Anyway, I was thinking about winches because, well, this is a Forum about Winching. I was also thinking how Tesla seems to answer problems with unconventional thinking. While thinking along the "Tesla wouldn't do something so pedestrian as hanging a dumb looking cable reel off the front of their car though I see Jeeps doing this all the time though to be fair, they have the aerodynamics of a brick (but not a smooth brick).

Anyway, while thinking of other ways to get some kind of winch power without needing to do something like cut holes or move heavy motors around, I thought "Why not just get rid of the motor altogether?" What if, and bear with me here because I can't draw it up so I'll try to explain. You have a flat belt with a wide, flat hook on one end that happens to match your tire tread (Yes, this would only work for the stock tires) that you could set on the ground against a tire and then hit "rescue mode, right rear" or whatever tire you are going to use to pull yourself with. Then, the tire would slowly rotate while the belt's "hook" slips in between the treads and locks in place. Maybe it has small pokies to dig into the side of the tread blocks a little. Then, basically backing up would pull the vehicle along the belt as it winds up. The other end of the belt becomes like a rope that you can connect to another vehicle or a tree. I know the first thing that comes to mind is "You could easily break a bead there" or "You could snap that tread block right off the tire" But, the hook is the width of the tire and is shaped to connect to several blocks while going across. Maybe the "rescue" mode limits the torque that motor puts out so you don't have that concern so much. Just a thought.

 

[Deleted member 3316]

Recovery boards? I would love to see tyre manufacturer specific recovery boards.

A couple of manufacturers have webbing “rope ladders” they are tied to the wheel like putting on snow chains. They only work over very short distances.

The other way is to have a wheel mounted sheave/drum. The idea is to place the sheave/drum on special bolts on a rear wheel put a few turns on it and run the line through a fairlead in the front or rear bumper and attach to a suitable anchor, then simply drive towards the anchor. No winch needed. It does limit you to self rescues though.... unless you’ve got a way of lifting a wheel....(air suspension and jack stand..... anyone? Anyone?)

I'm quite sure some clever engineer could incorporate a winch drum into a wheel with fold out fairleads to direct the line into the wheel rather than having the drum protrude from the wheel.

 

[Deleted member 3316]

I'm quite sure some clever engineer could incorporate a winch drum into a wheel with fold out fairleads to direct the line into the wheel rather than having the drum protrude from the wheel.

And with one on each rear wheel and a strong enough fairlead in the bumper (and anchor point) it could literally pull itself up a vertical cliff.

 

[ldjessee]

any ideas if the same front recovery winch could be used somehow to pull stuff up the tailgate ramp? Maybe through rerouting the cable/synthetic rope or something? or would a separate winch be nescesary?

I think with the vault cover and that their is already power in the bed, just mounting a winch to the front of the bed (opposite the tailgate/ramp) would be the easier thing to do. Because the bed payload is 3,500 lbs and assume you are not dragging it straight up a rough cliff, then a smaller winch of say 3,500lbs or less even, should be enough to pull a load onboard.

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