Tesla to open ~20% of its U.S. Supercharger network to other EV by end of 2024

Paradox · Feb 15, 2023

Tesla says it will open part of its Supercharger network to other non Tesla EV’s in the US by end of next year.

Axios article said:
Tesla has agreed to make part of its extensive charging network available to drivers of other brands, the White House said Wednesday.

Driving the news: The company will make at least 7,500 chargers nationwide available by the end of next year, per a White House summary.

At least 3,500 new and existing open-access chargers will be on highway corridors to "expand freedom of travel for all EVs."

Others will be at spots like "hotels and restaurants in urban and rural locations."

Why it matters: The move by the country's dominant EV player will help expand what remains limited national access to public charging.

Drivers' confidence they can find charging is important for speeding up the transition to EVs, which remain a small but growing share of sales.

The intrigue: Tesla's agreement follows "intense lobbying from the Biden administration," the Washington Post reports.

"The upgrades will allow Tesla to qualify for federal dollars" under the administration’s plans to help the country have a national network of 500,000 chargers by 2030, per Politico.

Zoom in: The chargers Tesla will open up to other brands include supercharger stations near highways and other locations such as hotels and restaurants.

The company will more than double its network of superchargers, which are manufactured in Buffalo, New York.

Catch up fast: The news came in a wider set of White House announcements about efforts to boost charging.

They include final Transportation Department standards for chargers built using billions of federal dollars made available under the bipartisan infrastructure law.

Go deeper: The electric car revolution hinges on equitable, affordable charging

Editor's note: This is a developing story. Please check back for updates.

Axios article

cvalue13 · Feb 15, 2023

Only 3,500 are superchargers, only by end of 2024 … disappointing

And since there are at least 10 chargers at a station, question is:

• will there be only 350 station locations open to non-Teslas, with all chargers available, or

• will there be 3500 station locations open to non-Teslas, with only a single non-Tesla charger available, or

• somewhere between the above two

So, pick your poison: only 350 available stations nationwide, or only a single available charger at 3,500 stations nationwide

neither very life-changing after two years of effort

otherwise for the L1s, not sure how Tesla is “opening up” those - done have been

ninja6r · Feb 15, 2023

I wouldn't look at this as a negative thing. It's actually incredible they're even doing this much. Tesla has the better connector, largest charging network, and way more vehicles on the road than all other manufacturers combined. If anything, it should be the other way around, imo. Tesla's been pumping these out without being forced to (VW) for over a decade. I view this as great news, since it means that Tesla isn't going to convert all of them to CCS. Last thing superchargering needs is more congestion.

Qball · Feb 15, 2023

The main problem is other EVs take foreve to charge especially when cold. They can only open a few or really create huge congestion at super chargers.

KrodEKid · Feb 15, 2023

This could be bad new for Tesla congested areas where chargers are used frequently. This could be great news for small companies like Aptera that don't have resources to build their own network. Now if only we can convince other manufacturers to use the NACS connector. I think ultimately everyone would benefit from using NACS but I don't see auto makers holding hands and singing kumbaya around a campfire anytime soon.

Crissa · Feb 15, 2023

Qball said:
The main problem is other EVs take foreve to charge especially when cold. They can only open a few or really create huge congestion at super chargers.

If they only replace a few at a time, that won't be an issue. Think the handicap stall at the end of the row. It's got the rails for the other cars.

Also, most of that problem is crappy chargers, not the other cars.

-Crissa

ED_SFO · Feb 15, 2023

I believe at the end of the day yes there will be more chargers from other companies, but as of right now Tesla are the most reliable. I do not believe these other companies will magically be more reliable, and the government should hold them accountable if they are accepting these funds. Otherwise we will have 500,000 new chargers with only half working at any given time. The government should have a national data base of which chargers are online and working and updated instantly with pricing.

Richard V. · Feb 15, 2023

ED_SFO said:
I believe at the end of the day yes there will be more chargers from other companies, but as of right now Tesla are the most reliable. I do not believe these other companies will magically be more reliable, and the government should hold them accountable if they are accepting these funds. Otherwise we will have 500,000 new chargers with only half working at any given time. The government should have a national data base of which chargers are online and working and updated instantly with pricing.

I think there are less incentives to be more effective and have more sales if the implementation money came from the Government to start with. There needs to be a way to reward availability of the charging stations. I doubt that the current model is conductive to charging efficiencies.

I think some good news for all is here: Tesla strikes a deal with White House to make charging network available to other vehicles (yahoo.com)

Ogre · Feb 15, 2023

cvalue13 said:
Only 3,500 are superchargers, only by end of 2024 … disappointing

And since there are at least 10 chargers at a station, question is:

• will there be only 350 station locations open to non-Teslas, with all chargers available, or

• will there be 3500 station locations open to non-Teslas, with only a single non-Tesla charger available, or

• somewhere between the above two

So, pick your poison: only 350 available stations nationwide, or only a single available charger at 3,500 stations nationwide

neither very life-changing after two years of effort

otherwise for the L1s, not sure how Tesla is “opening up” those - done have been

I suspect if it’s 3,500 chargers by end of 2024 that this will mostly be newly installed stations, not existing ones. So 350 new stations with 8-24 stalls which are open to non-Tesla vehicles? That would be my guess.

I had the impression some existing chargers would be converted as well though.

BayouCityBob · Feb 15, 2023

Qball said:
The main problem is other EVs take foreve to charge especially when cold. They can only open a few or really create huge congestion at super chargers.

They need to charge double the price whenever someone is charging below 70 kw. That will incentivize people to STOP charging with the charge rate goes down.

ED_SFO · Feb 15, 2023

I think for Tesla to qualify for the subsidies all the "new stations" promised must be interoperable. This would be the easiest way for the government to keep track of stations and money given. Tesla would also get credit for stations that are converted with magic docks.

Ogre · Feb 15, 2023

BayouCityBob said:
They need to charge double the price whenever someone is charging below 70 kw. That will incentivize people to STOP charging with the charge rate goes down.

If a station is more than 75% full, disable the charger after 30 minutes and start charging idle fees at that point regardless of who is charging. If it’s a busy charger, you need to move on after half an hour even if it’s a Tesla (You won’t be getting more than 50 kW charge speed at that point regardless).

If the station has capacity, no reason to charge more or kick people off.

Ogre · Feb 15, 2023

Interesting thought here which brings up some more questions.

If you have an EV with a NACS plug or an adaptor, will you be able to use all Tesla chargers or will the app just enable the ones which have the built in adaptor?

I’m just wondering if you couldn’t end-around the limits by buying an adaptor so you can access the whole network. Though Tesla doesn’t sell one and I think the ones you can buy are probably for home charging only. Hmm.

kbolt · Feb 15, 2023

Paradox said:
Tesla says it will open part of its Supercharger network to other non Tesla EV’s in the US by end of next year.

Axios article

Also they said they are going to double the supercharger network. So 80k stalls total is pretty sweat indeed.

Deleted member 11233 · Feb 16, 2023

I understand opening up the Supercharging network to non-Teslas is one of the requirements to access the federal funding to construct more charging centers, but in a way, by opening up the Supercharger network, isn't Tesla supporting their EV competitors who haven't used enough thought or effort to constructing their own charging network?

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