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Empty trailer with tongue box, spare tire and rear gate\ramp is ~1,000 pounds (the ramp is being carried in the bed of the truck in this photo). The Landmaster in the trailer with the options installed is ~1,500 pounds. Thus ~2,500 pounds being towed. Total passenger weight was ~400 pounds. Most of the driving was freeway speeds of 60- 70 MPH, here in the DFW area. outside temperature was around 50 degrees F, plus or minus a few during the trip. Some minor up and down on the freeway and a tiny net elevation change up of about 100 feet over 50 miles during the towing. I hooked up and maneuvered around the yard with the tonneau open, but had it closed for all of the trip miles.

Towing with the empty trailer at a consistent elevation consumed 570wh per mile. I had been running 425 - 515wh per mile (depending on temperature) before attaching the trailer, so not too much of am added drag. Note the trailer ramp was on the back during that time, but it is basically a wire mesh, so not much drag from it.

Towing with trailer loaded consumed a much higher 921wh per mile and over the 46 miles dropped us from 75% charged to 39%, or about 0.8% per mile.

The towing experience was great. I definitely noticed the trailer when it was loaded. Cornering at stop lights was slightly different, we could hear the motors working harder, but it remained a really smooth ride. I had the option turned on to enhance regenerative breaking when towing because this trailer does not have trailer breaks. Even that enhancement felt smooth and in control. The full rear view camera showed the whole trailer and the area around it, so changing lanes and turning was no problem.

When I tow this thing to Colorado this Summer, with a net elevation change of 5,300 feet over 700 miles, I will need to stop and charge at least every 100 miles. For that trip we will remove the windshield and the roof from the Landmaster, and open that tailgate, all to reduce drag.

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Screenshot taken just after towing empty trailer 9 miles from the charging station to the utv dealer.
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Screenshot taken after getting the utv home.
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Currently I can make our trip from Cleveland to Algonquin Park Ontario area on one tank of gas in my Tundra. With my MS I need to charge twice. With a new MY I could do it with one charge. I really would like the CT to do it with one charge but if it takes two so beit. If it takes two or thee charges with our towing anything I would want something with a longer range. Right now
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The air resistance of the windshield and roof on that ATV likely causes a far higher drop in average efficiency than the added weight, especially at highway speeds. Driving slower will dramatically increase the range and will have less effect on total travel time than you think, especially when factoring in charging time. Also even a "mesh" tailgate has been shown to significantly affect range. Maybe test with and without mesh?
 

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Thanks for the data point! Eagerly awaiting to see if anybody else tows a pop up camper which is what I have
 


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Thanks for the info. This is what I’m spending the most time thinking about, I tow 2 atvs about 150 miles (each way) to the trails. My total weight being pulled is about 3300 pounds.
Depending on speed, grade, and air temp you are likely going to need to leave with a full charge and charge 2-3 times to make your round trip, once on the way there, and twice on the way back.
Might be 4 times if it is cold weather and you are going to be ATVing for the day.

You also want to check to make sure there are chargers along your route, odds are they are not going to be perfectly spaced at 80 miles apart so you should check on that prior to leaving, also the speed of the chargers as the CT will take a while to charge on the V3 chargers, on the V2s they take 2+ hours for a full charge.
 

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Depending on speed, grade, and air temp you are likely going to need to leave with a full charge and charge 2-3 times to make your round trip, once on the way there, and twice on the way back.
Might be 4 times if it is cold weather and you are going to be ATVing for the day.

You also want to check to make sure there are chargers along your route, odds are they are not going to be perfectly spaced at 80 miles apart so you should check on that prior to leaving, also the speed of the chargers as the CT will take a while to charge on the V3 chargers, on the V2s they take 2+ hours for a full charge.
Chargers are available at close enough distances, I’m assuming I can make it 90 miles on a full charge with 3000 pounds in tow. So I’m thinking I’ll fully recharge at the same location in both directions. But I am concerned about having to disconnect the trailer to charge, that sucks.
 

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Thanks for the data point! Eagerly awaiting to see if anybody else tows a pop up camper which is what I have
I towed a popup with a 2016 MX 90D all over the country and Canada. Did well, never had issues, never ran out of battery, but did have to charge to 100% a lot.

Tesla Cybertruck Towing with Cybertruck report - EV towing an EV (~2500 lbs) 1706498539012


But I am concerned about having to disconnect the trailer to charge, that sucks.
Yep, "droppin' trail" is a thing. This popup weighed about 2500lbs loaded. 2016 MX 90D was "rated" at 257 miles. I'd be shocked if the CT is worse than that.

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I towed a popup with a 2016 MX 90D all over the country and Canada. Did well, never had issues, never ran out of battery, but did have to charge to 100% a lot.

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Yep, "droppin' trail" is a thing. This popup weighed about 2500lbs loaded. 2016 MX 90D was "rated" at 257 miles. I'd be shocked if the CT is worse than that.

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Great to know! Mine is very similar. How often were you stopping to charge? Having to disconnect the trailer would be a real PITA, am hoping for more drive thru superchargers. Am also hoping that with rear wheel steel and rear camera that the CT can automatically line up a ball hitch for me
 


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While slightly off-topic, it appears as if the rear-wheel height may be higher than the front-wheel height. If so, that suggest that you may have a negative hitch weight and that's a really bad thing. If you to the SxS much, you may want to back it on the trailer so that the weight is better placed.
 

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Empty trailer with tongue box, spare tire and rear gate\ramp is ~1,000 pounds (the ramp is being carried in the bed of the truck in this photo). The Landmaster in the trailer with the options installed is ~1,500 pounds. Thus ~2,500 pounds being towed. Total passenger weight was ~400 pounds. Most of the driving was freeway speeds of 60- 70 MPH, here in the DFW area. outside temperature was around 50 degrees F, plus or minus a few during the trip. Some minor up and down on the freeway and a tiny net elevation change up of about 100 feet over 50 miles during the towing. I hooked up and maneuvered around the yard with the tonneau open, but had it closed for all of the trip miles.

Towing with the empty trailer at a consistent elevation consumed 570wh per mile. I had been running 425 - 515wh per mile (depending on temperature) before attaching the trailer, so not too much of am added drag. Note the trailer ramp was on the back during that time, but it is basically a wire mesh, so not much drag from it.

Towing with trailer loaded consumed a much higher 921wh per mile and over the 46 miles dropped us from 75% charged to 39%, or about 0.8% per mile.

The towing experience was great. I definitely noticed the trailer when it was loaded. Cornering at stop lights was slightly different, we could hear the motors working harder, but it remained a really smooth ride. I had the option turned on to enhance regenerative breaking when towing because this trailer does not have trailer breaks. Even that enhancement felt smooth and in control. The full rear view camera showed the whole trailer and the area around it, so changing lanes and turning was no problem.

When I tow this thing to Colorado this Summer, with a net elevation change of 5,300 feet over 700 miles, I will need to stop and charge at least every 100 miles. For that trip we will remove the windshield and the roof from the Landmaster, and open that tailgate, all to reduce drag.

IMG_20240127_114143441_HDR.jpg


Screenshot taken just after towing empty trailer 9 miles from the charging station to the utv dealer.
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Screenshot taken after getting the utv home.
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Random question: What does the Wh/mi top out at?
(My 17MS 75D goes up to around 900Wh/mi.) ?
 

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The air resistance of the windshield and roof on that ATV likely causes a far higher drop in average efficiency than the added weight, especially at highway speeds. Driving slower will dramatically increase the range and will have less effect on total travel time than you think, especially when factoring in charging time. Also even a "mesh" tailgate has been shown to significantly affect range. Maybe test with and without mesh?
Lars (VP Vehicle Engineering at Tesla) says here that aero when towing makes much more difference for range than weight being towed. Link should start at 45:20.

 

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Good to know, my annual tow of my Golf cart / trailer to Wyoming each spring is probably right around 1000 lbs. windshield down on the cart and no ramp. My 3500HDHigh country doesn't know it's back there and in Utah I always cruised @ 70-80 MPH maybe saw a 2 MPG loss with the trailer and cart. Obviously the CT isn't going to compete and will plan on @ 5-6 charging stops on the 650 Mile trip, but good to know the new truck is capable. The tarp is not on the cart when towed, covered when the rain/ snow hit before we could get it unloaded.
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