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This cracks me up.

I think the reason MDR got so much access to Tesla employees is because all of the “Influencers” went to their post-event party. Munro didn’t even hang out for the full Q&A, let alone the meet and greet after.
Sandy was a freaking hoot though. He was cracking me up.

Poor Corey was having a tough time keeping him in line. Lol
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Sandy was a freaking hoot though. He was cracking me up.

Poor Corey was having a tough time keeping him in line. Lol
I mean… sure, but wouldn’t it have been better if Sandy or at least Corey had been at the event getting 1 on 1 time with Tom Zhu? Maybe they’d have taken better notes at least?

Is drunk Sandy better than “I got 1 on 1 time with Zhu” Sandy?
 
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Yes.

Both are 'no'. The doors were open in the pre-production vehicle and the seat folded up, not down.

-Crissa
They may fold down, but we've only so far seen them up. I'd be willing to bet that much like the scarf draped on the dash, the seats were potentially hiding some stuff behind them, so folded up to display that feature.

I don't think it's much else other than rear steering engineering is still a possibility.
 

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Sure, but important to make a couple of distinctions here:

First, MDR is a retail investor who got invited to one of 50 slots for such retail investors. The other people there are a different sort of investor.

Second, in my highlighting that this truck was put on display for investors, I’m primarily making a distinction between Tesla intentionally socializing a “pre-production prototype” with anyone, vs what otherwise are the sort of unsanctioned spy shots and accidental potato phone clips from construction workers, drones, etc., that have been offered up to date.

Socializing this prototype, with institutional investors, this close to Tesla’s purported production schedule, is the source of the valence of the prototype.

Not this MDR character’s unclear, attention-seeking, “journalism.”


Which I guess is to say, I wouldn’t confuse your estimation of MDR with the separate topic of Tesla’s signaling.

On that latter point, seems like one sort of has to decide:

(A) Tesla’s production timeline is in fact near term and so this prototype is likely getting very close to final, ot

(B) This prototype has little information value because Tesla, despite its assertions to the contrary, is still so far out from production that there’s time for anything to be possible.
I was not trying to say or imply anything against you but rather about MDR (and his ilk). It is true that many of 'us' are retail investors, but not large-volume retail investors, most likely, and we are very knowledgable about the Cybertruck (whether we agree or not on details notwithstanding). I was thinking in general about Wall Street types and I am, admittedly, biased. If MDR was really interested in the Cybertruck he would be a regular participant here. He is not.

That said, I think that there is another (C) interpretation (and you may think that B and C are essentially the same), and that is that there are several pre-production prototypes in the wild, with various implementations of various features, and that Tesla put one of them (perhaps the closest to GigaAustin) on the stage not caring what the invitees took away from it (perhaps not even expecting them to make a big video deal of it). The people normally guarding the vehicles have some [kind of] knowledge but it is questionable how their knowledge translates to the final design version. We do not know.

One thing that we absolutely know is that someone with real knowledge will be able to cite the source of their knowledge, and doesn't change their story when challenged. Perhaps Tesla hasn't said anything about what MDR claimed because they never say anything about anything any of us say. They just let the rumor mill churn away but they haven't changed their story about what features and specs the CT will have. If people believe MDR then fine. If they don't then fine. But he is neither an authoritative nor an official source.
 


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I mean… sure, but wouldn’t it have been better if Sandy or at least Corey had been at the event getting 1 on 1 time with Tom Zhu? Maybe they’d have taken better notes at least?

Is drunk Sandy better than “I got 1 on 1 time with Zhu” Sandy?
Without question having Munro Live do a post mortem on what they consider the 'final' specs and features would be of great value, but it is also more likely than not that they don't see a pre-production prototype as close enough to final to make wild statements about final specs and features. I would be very interested in their views on steer-by-wire, brake-by-wire, and suspension, since it is clear that they have views on the motor design.
 

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Without question having Munro Live do a post mortem on what they consider the 'final' specs and features would be of great value, but it is also more likely than not that they don't see a pre-production prototype as close enough to final to make wild statements about final specs and features. I would be very interested in their views on steer-by-wire, brake-by-wire, and suspension, since it is clear that they have views on the motor design.
While I’m skeptical of some of what he said, what we saw is beyond a doubt almost exactly what the final truck will look like. Console is almost certain, likewise fold up seats in the back, and many other things. If there is sail pillar storage, it would need to be a full side-panel, etc etc.

Much of this makes me a tiny bit less happy, but thems the breaks.

How he measured it and other things he said are more debatable, but the physical truck is very very close to what we’re going to get.
 

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But he is neither an authoritative nor an official source.
yeah we may just be talking past one-another

I take MDR’s “information” for what little it is

Separate and unrelated to what is evident in the prototype displayed - the value of that information also qualified by the obvious, but …

@Ogre’s just this moment weighed in with essentially the point, so I’ll stop repeating
 

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While I’m skeptical of some of what he said, what we saw is beyond a doubt almost exactly what the final truck will look like. Console is almost certain, likewise fold up seats in the back, and many other things. If there is sail pillar storage, it would need to be a full side-panel, etc etc.

Much of this makes me a tiny bit less happy, but thems the breaks.

How he measured it and other things he said are more debatable, but the physical truck is very very close to what we’re going to get.
I trust the guy measuring with the fluorescent bulb better than our famous YouTuber Mc-
 


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Yikes! What is your towing vehicle and what kind of mileage do you get? Even if it could be towed,
that is like towing a reasonably good sized travel trailer behind your rig. What kind of mileage were you hoping for when towing the CT? BTW, adding regen while towing imho be SO expensive, to simulate just toss out a couple of anchors and drag them along for a test :)
I have a Tiffin Phaeton with a 8.9L diesel.. it gets about 8-8.5mpg towing a 5500lb Wrangler Sport. I don't think it really cares what it's towing (10k limit), it gets about the same MPG. I would assume if Tesla engineered the flat tow feature on the CT it would only engage the regenerative breaking in sync with the motorhome when you let off the accelerator pedal or while braking (which is exactly how its exhaust brake feature works on the motorhome and Standard setting on a Tesla). Everybody says it's not possible to flat tow a Tesla, but I have to imagine it's just an engineering problem that can be solved if there is enough demand for it (which I acknowledge there probably isn't). Why couldn't you put the Tesla in a flat tow mode that tells it to keep the motors cool and then via a wiring hardness gets data on when the motorhome is accelerating, coasting, braking, etc so it can engage the braking or not. Maybe I'm oversimplifying things, but I'm sure flat towing is not impossible, it's just something that has to be figured out.
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