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[jqattan56]

This is just like towing a car with an A-frame.
Dog trailers have been around for quite a few years they require a different strategy for backing but significantly less complicated solution than A-frame.

There has to be a reason dog trailers are not popular for amateur use. I hazard a guess the extra complexity and rolling resistance has something to do with it.

This is an interesting solution also.

Have you watched the Video?

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[Ogre]

Probably makes more sense for Tesla to invest in a different cab for the Semi than to dink around with towing 30,000 pounds behind the Cybertruck.

 

[jqattan56]

Probably makes more sense for Tesla to invest in a different cab for the Semi than to dink around with towing 30,000 pounds behind the CyberTruck.

It is not out about the 30K, It's about the 8-12% tongue weight load transfer from trailer to CyberTruck Hitch.

So, For a 14K Trailer haul it will add up to 1,680 Lbs. to the hitch, which means that the CyberTruck lost payload of 1,680 Lbs. But if we use Self-steer Zero tongue load trailer system, the CyberTruck Payload would increase from 3,500 Lbs. to 5,180 Lbs. of useful payload.

 

[firsttruck]

This is just like towing a car with an A-frame.
Dog trailers have been around for quite a few years they require a different strategy for backing but significantly less complicated solution than A-frame.
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Trailer types and definitions
Australia - The State of Queensland
https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/business...ormation-sheets/Trailer-types-and-definitions

Types:
box (pig) trailer
dog trailer
semi-trailer
lead/middle trailer
converter dolly trailer
low loader dolly
low loader trailer
tag trailer
caravan
mobile equipment trailer or mobile machinery trailer (non-load carrying).

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Box (pig) trailer:
* has 1 axle group or a single axle near the middle of its load carrying surface
* is connected to the towing vehicle by a drawbar.

Dog trailer has:
* 1 axle group or a single axle at the front that is being steered by connection to a towing vehicle by a drawbar
* 1 axle group or a single axle at the rear.
* This includes a trailer consisting of a semi-trailer and converter dolly.

Lead/middle trailer
* A lead/middle trailer is a semi-trailer with a turntable mounted over the axle group at the rear of a trailer.
* Complete semi-trailer/gooseneck type trailer (with fifth wheel or ball coupling)

Converter dolly trailer is a pig trailer with a fifth wheel coupling designed to convert a semi-trailer into a dog trailer.

Tag trailer
* has 1 axle group or a single axle towards the rear of its load carrying surface
* is connected to a towing vehicle by a drawbar.
* Complete semi-trailer/gooseneck type trailer (with fifth wheel or ball coupling)

 

[jqattan56]

Trailer types and definitions
Australia - The State of Queensland
https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/business...ormation-sheets/Trailer-types-and-definitions

Types:
box (pig) trailer
dog trailer
semi-trailer
lead/middle trailer
converter dolly trailer
low loader dolly
low loader trailer
tag trailer
caravan
mobile equipment trailer or mobile machinery trailer (non-load carrying).

-----

Box (pig) trailer:
* has 1 axle group or a single axle near the middle of its load carrying surface
* is connected to the towing vehicle by a drawbar.

Dog trailer has:
* 1 axle group or a single axle at the front that is being steered by connection to a towing vehicle by a drawbar
* 1 axle group or a single axle at the rear.
* This includes a trailer consisting of a semi-trailer and converter dolly.

Lead/middle trailer
* A lead/middle trailer is a semi-trailer with a turntable mounted over the axle group at the rear of a trailer.
* Complete semi-trailer/gooseneck type trailer (with fifth wheel or ball coupling)

Converter dolly trailer is a pig trailer with a fifth wheel coupling designed to convert a semi-trailer into a dog trailer.

Tag trailer
* has 1 axle group or a single axle towards the rear of its load carrying surface
* is connected to a towing vehicle by a drawbar.
* Complete semi-trailer/gooseneck type trailer (with fifth wheel or ball coupling)

Non

Trailer types and definitions
Australia - The State of Queensland
https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/business...ormation-sheets/Trailer-types-and-definitions

Types:
box (pig) trailer
dog trailer
semi-trailer
lead/middle trailer
converter dolly trailer
low loader dolly
low loader trailer
tag trailer
caravan
mobile equipment trailer or mobile machinery trailer (non-load carrying).

-----

Box (pig) trailer:
* has 1 axle group or a single axle near the middle of its load carrying surface
* is connected to the towing vehicle by a drawbar.

Dog trailer has:
* 1 axle group or a single axle at the front that is being steered by connection to a towing vehicle by a drawbar
* 1 axle group or a single axle at the rear.
* This includes a trailer consisting of a semi-trailer and converter dolly.

Lead/middle trailer
* A lead/middle trailer is a semi-trailer with a turntable mounted over the axle group at the rear of a trailer.
* Complete semi-trailer/gooseneck type trailer (with fifth wheel or ball coupling)

Converter dolly trailer is a pig trailer with a fifth wheel coupling designed to convert a semi-trailer into a dog trailer.

Tag trailer
* has 1 axle group or a single axle towards the rear of its load carrying surface
* is connected to a towing vehicle by a drawbar.
* Complete semi-trailer/gooseneck type trailer (with fifth wheel or ball coupling)

These trailers are either dolly, wagon or A-frame. Self-steer leading Axle trailer is quite different. It is not classified yet, they don't know how to classify it yet.

First of its kind, there are some others. Google it.

 

[Deleted member 3316]

Non


These trailers are either dolly, wagon or A-frame. Self-steer leading Axle trailer is quite different. It is not classified yet, they don't know how to classify it yet.

First of its kind, there are some others. Google it.

It’s just a car with no seats attached to a tow vehicle with an A-frame

 

[jqattan56]

It’s just a car with no seats attached to a tow vehicle with an A-frame

Exactly.

 

[cvalue13]

To reach more eyes. This concept had been forgotten for years, and wish to resurrect it. One hopes.

so you did delete your other thread?

and then replicated it here?

until you say otherwise, your reasons for doing so appear to:

• be motivated by scrubbing the prior discussions around your “idea”

• which “idea” you appear to attempting to market and garner support for commercialization

nothing wrong with trying commercialize ideas in the forum - happens regularly

but it would be another thing altogether to begin deleting and manipulating threads in order that the forum discussion is engineered to demonstrate only support

 

[jqattan56]

so you did delete your other thread?

and then replicated it here?

until you say otherwise, your reasons for doing so appear to:

• be motivated by scrubbing the prior discussions around your “idea”

• which “idea” you appear to attempting to market and garner support for commercialization

nothing wrong with trying commercialize ideas in the forum - happens regularly

but it would be another thing altogether to begin deleting and manipulating threads in order that the forum discussion is engineered to demonstrate only support

You are reading too much into this. Did not scrub or delete anything, the previous write up was a response in a discussion, then ended with that thread. I started a new thread to be open to other readers that would have missed the first discussion.

Not commercializing any product, I am just the inventor/designer, and hate for this design to die before it sees the light of day. The previous investors quit years ago, not being accepted fast enough for them. those images are from 2004. Sad really. Hoping to breath life into it.
I would love sell the design drawings and move on.

Thanks for your response.

 

[cvalue13]

Did not scrub or delete anything, the previous write up was a response in a discussion, then ended with that thread. I started a new thread to be open to other readers that would have missed the first discussion.

got it, I was confused. in part I think because of this exchange:

Wait, did you delete the other thread, and then come repost the same thread?

To reach more eyes.

Now I see the miscommunication

 

[S.H.Peterson]

Trailer types and definitions
Australia - The State of Queensland
https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/business...ormation-sheets/Trailer-types-and-definitions

Types:
box (pig) trailer
dog trailer
semi-trailer
lead/middle trailer
converter dolly trailer
low loader dolly
low loader trailer
tag trailer
caravan
mobile equipment trailer or mobile machinery trailer (non-load carrying).

-----

Box (pig) trailer:
* has 1 axle group or a single axle near the middle of its load carrying surface
* is connected to the towing vehicle by a drawbar.

Dog trailer has:
* 1 axle group or a single axle at the front that is being steered by connection to a towing vehicle by a drawbar
* 1 axle group or a single axle at the rear.
* This includes a trailer consisting of a semi-trailer and converter dolly.

Lead/middle trailer
* A lead/middle trailer is a semi-trailer with a turntable mounted over the axle group at the rear of a trailer.
* Complete semi-trailer/gooseneck type trailer (with fifth wheel or ball coupling)

Converter dolly trailer is a pig trailer with a fifth wheel coupling designed to convert a semi-trailer into a dog trailer.

Tag trailer
* has 1 axle group or a single axle towards the rear of its load carrying surface
* is connected to a towing vehicle by a drawbar.
* Complete semi-trailer/gooseneck type trailer (with fifth wheel or ball coupling)

I now consider myself edified!

 

[Crissa]

It's fair that it gets its own thread, oft time a thread wanders.

-Crissa

 

[jqattan56]

It's fair that it gets its own thread, oft time a thread wanders.

-Crissa

Thanks for your support. Wait when you see my VTOL project I have been working on for 5 years, on and off.

 

[AeroTool]

When I was a kid I worked on my uncle's farm for a couple of summers. Hay wagons are 4 wheeled like this. It was somewhat of a right of passage when you were able to back up a hay wagon correctly the first time without having to pull forward to reset.

My uncle could back up a string of two haywagons linked together. It was fun to watch him.

That reminds me what my friend that drove tractor trailers for UPS said. He said there was only ONE driver that could reliably back up a tandem trailer rig...

 

[jqattan56]

That reminds me what my friend that drove tractor trailers for UPS said. He said there was only ONE driver that could reliably back up a tandem trailer rig...

It is not a wagon, it is a reversible caster self steer system. It is as easy to reverse as a standard 3-point trailer, except the the front self-steer axle will provide reverse tracking of the truck and eliminate jackknifing. See the video from" getafix56" and watch it reverse. NOT A WAGON.

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