A Leaked Tesla Report Shows the Cybertruck Had Basic Design Flaws

[firsttruck]

Didn't they say that about Tesla and cars because legacy had been making cars for 100 years and Tesla has no experience? Now with 15 years of experience you would think the truck would be much easier...
.....

Some things
1. What if legacy auto really learned most everything important in the first 70 years and has mostly been sitting on their laurels (coasting) since then?

2. Just because it took legacy auto 100 years to figure somethings out does not mean it will take a later team as long.

3. How much of the practices/technology the legacy learned in 100 years are no longer optimal and should have long ago been replaced by new practices/tech?
some examples might be:
48V wiring ( should have been done in late 1990s/early 2000s)
larger castings (Sandy Munro said for over 10yr trying to get legacy auto to use)
car self-tests itself continually as it is being assembled into larger and larger configuration.
structural battery
structural battery/seats/center-console/floor/bottom sub-assembly inserted from below.
battery powered autonomous (capable of variable paths) flatbed carts instead of fixed-in-ground rail/chain assembly line.
Useable Full BEVs using NiMH battery tech could have been done in late 1990s/early 2000s.

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[cvalue13]

Some things
1. What if legacy auto really learned most everything important in the first 70 years and has mostly been sitting on their laurels since then?

2. Just because it took legacy auto 100 years to figure somethings out does not mean it will take a later team as long.

3. How much of the practices/technology the legacy learned in 100 years are no longer optimal and should have long ago been replaced by new practices/tech?
some examples might be:
48V wiring ( should have been done in late 1990s/early 2000s)
larger castings (Sandy Munro said for over 10yr trying to get legacy auto to use)
car self-tests itself continually as it is being assembled into larger and larger configuration.
structural battery
structural battery/seats/center-console/floor/bottom sub-assembly inserted from below.
battery powered autonomous (capable of variable paths) flatbed carts instead of fixed-in-ground rail/chain assembly line.
Useable Full BEVs using NiMH battery tech could have been done in late 1990s/early 2000s.

but what on earth is your point?

 

[ÆCIII]

"Design Flaw" refers to problems in final designs implemented for production, not prototyping.

There is no such thing as a 'design flaw' in pre-production models, because they are not meant for purchase and their very purpose is developmental, to discover and eliminate flaws.

Saying the CT had a 'design flaw', is like saying a baby can't write a thesis or dissertation (of course they can't because they've not grown nor assimilated the knowledge yet). Like a baby, a prototype design is not yet mature for production.

I would certainly hope they found some flaws to eliminate and things to optimize, because I'd actually be worried if they found 'nothing' and said a design was perfect from the (virtual) 'drawing board'. If they had found nothing to optimize, then that means they were not doing their job.

A problem is only a 'design flaw', if it is found in mass-produced samples. Prototypes are path-finders.

Today, all too many narrative sound-byte pushers are getting starved for attention, so they try to make something, by contrasting with nothing. That's a very familiar theme we've seen a lot of lately, especially with the MSM.

- ÆCIII

 

[Crissa]

"Design Flaw" refers to problems in final designs implemented for production, not prototyping.

Exactly.

Just like the guy who stole the documents isn't a whistleblower, because he got paid by a third party to steal the documents.

-Crissa

 

[ÆCIII]

Exactly.

Just like the guy who stole the documents isn't a whistleblower, because he got paid by a third party to steal the documents.

-Crissa

and I didn't even read any further about the "... Leaked Tesla Report..." either - because I knew from those words used in the video title, that the blurred semantics being pushed was already the main problem and thus a common theme that I wanted to point out.

-ÆCIII

 

[intimidator]

Didn't they say that about Tesla and cars because legacy had been making cars for 100 years and Tesla has no experience? Now with 15 years of experience you would think the truck would be much easier...

If electric vehicles are hard, and trucks are harder, then that sucks for Rivian who started with an electric truck. I guess that more props to them.

Rivian really struggled to get going.
And they had this big factory but could only build about 5 trucks a week.

Hopefully Rivian can increase their output by the end of this year and they can get to profitability by the end of 2024. Hopefully.

 

[charliemagpie]

Legacy~NASA. Both outsourced and forgot.

Reminds me of a much-respected retailer, who a long time ago said to me... 'Charlie, I don't know if I have a lot of experience, or whether I have done the same thing 50 years over.'

 

[Ogre]

What if legacy auto really learned most everything important in the first 70 years and has mostly been sitting on their laurels (coasting) since then?

It’s an industry with absolutely massive cost to enter, huge, entrenched owner preferences, and in many cases legislative protection. Insanely difficult to enter the auto market in western countries.

That makes it pretty easy to settle into a rut and wallow in it.

 

[Ogre]

I just feel compelled to point to the half dozen or so videos from various sources where the half dozen pre-release Rivians were plagued with problems and the media wrote it off. “But these are preproduction vehicles and some flaws are expected….

 

[Challeco]

I read this article. It was, to me, just one more hit piece. It used the alpha stage of the CT as a rationalization for bashing Tesla's build quality. I kept reading despite the writer's, and editor's, prejudice saturating the excessive word count masquerading as an article. Is the CT late? Sure. Did the worldwide pandemic affect Tesla's decisions regarding their supplies and where they applied them? Sure did. Is the one factory that Tesla is going to use to build the CT still being built to this very minute? Absolutely. They're even creating new buildings for manufacturing their own batteries from raw materials, and focusing on the high demand for the model 3 and Y. But, hey, the original estimated date of delivery has long since passed. Whatever... My take on this painful read of a Junior high persuasion argument, is that Tesla is learning faster than their I.C.E. manufacturer counterparts and is also leading the same by the nose into a future where automotive manufacturing improves for the benefit of the consumer. I can wait for my Tesla Cybertruck. I'm not interested in an overpriced knock off by Ford, or Chevy, or Stellantis or Rivian (Yes, I own stock in at least one of these). I had a model 3. I have a model Y. I have an old truck that is equal in MPG to any modern truck and is paid off. I'm not a fan of wasting my money on fuel, but I'm even less interested in a cowboy who is all hat and no horse (short bed, inadequate range, and overly expensive). I will wait for the final production line version of the CT that uses the 9K ton Gigapress. These penny per word freelance writers can keep writing their fluff pieces to feed themselves.

 

[PilotPete]

Like a baby, a prototype design is not yet mature for production.

Neither production nor reproduction!

 

[Rozonoe]

Curious how hard it was to overcome these problems and what (if any) compromises will make it to production.

https://www.wired.com/story/a-leaked-tesla-report-shows-the-cybertruck-had-basic-design-flaws/

Fake News.

 

[Ogre]

‘Did they catch up with their backlog, or did their backlog bleed off?

They lost a lot when they goofed around with prices. There have also been a fair number who didnt follow through on orders.

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