350 mile range Quad Motor rumored to be 1st trim launched

[Broski]

It's always interesting when brand new people ask about the creds of members that have been prolific around here for years. Seems like if people would just hang out and get to know the regulars a bit they would learn much more about the creds and not keep requesting the experienced to rehash their histories.

Maybe do a search like I just did and see that the “regular “ you reference does not drive an electric car and my comment is based on many years and over 100,000 miles of driving a Tesla. So I guess I should disregard that experience because of some regular on this board who says range anxiety should not be an issue and it’s one of the top reasons people do not buy an electric car?

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[FutureBoy]

Maybe do a search like I just did and see that the “regular “ you reference does not drive an electric car and my comment is based on many years and over 100,000 miles of driving a Tesla. So I guess I should disregard that experience because of some regular on this board who says range anxiety should not be an issue and it’s one of the top reasons people do not buy an electric car?

Notice I didn’t quote you. You were just the latest in a number of similar interactions that followed a similar pattern.

I’m not asking you to disregard your personal experience. I just find it interesting that as a newbie you jumped to asking:

Have you driven an electric vehicle? Long range.? Your response sounds very textbook theoretical and not in tune with reality.

The impression I get is that you know nearly nothing about the person you directed that at. But you are new so I don’t expect you to know. However, your approach also sounds like you would like to discount or cut off the alternative viewpoint of which you do not know.

You are welcome to share your experience. Even to disagree with the expressed experiences of others. I just found your approach less inviting than it could be.

Overall I’m just feeling nostalgic for the heady days of yore when the CT was a new concept and so many were in a hurry to figure it out so they would be ready to take delivery shortly. Years later the new crowd shows up with a completely different approach that at times clashes with the old school culture.

 

[Broski]

Notice I didn’t quote you. You were just the latest in a number of similar interactions that followed a similar pattern.

I’m not asking you to disregard your personal experience. I just find it interesting that as a newbie you jumped to asking:



The impression I get is that you know nearly nothing about the person you directed that at. But you are new so I don’t expect you to know. However, your approach also sounds like you would like to discount or cut off the alternative viewpoint of which you do not know.

You are welcome to share your experience. Even to disagree with the expressed experiences of others. I just found your approach less inviting than it could be.

Overall I’m just feeling nostalgic for the heady days of yore when the CT was a new concept and so many were in a hurry to figure it out so they would be ready to take delivery shortly. Years later the new crowd shows up with a completely different approach that at times clashes with the old school culture.

Your comment came right after my last quote so I assumed that’s what it was in reference to

we’re talking about practicality of driving longer distances in an EV.
Experience trumps nostalgia or tenure and # of posts made.

A lot of recent press on Ford’s CEO humbling experience on road tripping a Lightening

as range improves this will be moot, but for now I’d rather be honest about the limitations instead of saying it doesn’t matter just use a level two charger, no biggie.

Manny here want the 500 mile version for this reason and the primary driver for CT orders.

my opinion

 

[FutureBoy]

Your comment came right after my last quote so I assumed that’s what it was in reference to

we’re talking about practicality of driving longer distances in an EV.
Experience trumps nostalgia or tenure and # of posts made.

A lot of recent press on Ford’s CEO humbling experience on road tripping a Lightening

as range improves this will be moot, but for now I’d rather be honest about the limitations instead of saying it doesn’t matter just use a level two charger, no biggie.

Manny here want the 500 mile version for this reason and the primary driver for CT orders.

my opinion

Yes. It’s your opinion. It matches the opinion of many around here. It’s been rehashed many times. Your exact points (on similar but not exact routes) have been argued, fought over, and come to accepted truces. I miss those days. Not looking forward to a repeat experience.

 

[TBONO]

Have you driven an electric vehicle? Long range.? Your response sounds very textbook theoretical and not in tune with reality.
I have over 100,000 miles driving Tesla’s and no issue in urban environments but what’s discussed here are the longer drives and where there is not a supercharger
it’s much more than an inconvenience. It makes the trip not appropriate for an electric vehicle unless you’re retired and don’t care about time and want to spend hours and hours and hours in a Podunk town. Until your car charges.

Agreed
Same experience with 85K miles on a Tesla. Love it most the time but not good for the longer trips I make in winter between states with limited superchargers. It’s not our only car so not an issue with our ICE. It is my hope that a 500mi CT (when/if avail) will allow me to sell the ICE

 

[WormtownKris]

The fact of the matter is, GM currently has a 450 (actual, not claimed) mile truck in production. Yes, it's a little pricey, but if Tesla really can't beat or meet that at a similar or lower price, my faith in the company will be seriously shaken.

Those gushing articles claiming Chevy/GM get 450 miles of range are all from May. The landing page for both the Silverado and the Sierra Denali both state Chevy/GM Estimated range of 400 miles. So, you might be basing your faith in the company on a "Trust Me, Bro".

 

[cvalue13]

Tri and Dual Motor will be the only drivetrain that Tesla offers.

*pretty* confident it’s this, with the caveat that tri’s will be rare as hens teeth for quite some time

 

[Baldey]

*pretty* confident it’s this, with the caveat that tri’s will be rare as hens teeth for quite some time

Why do you think this? If the # of CTs is limited by cells, i guess it sort of makes sense. But at the same time, It also makes sense to pack as many batteries in as people will buy. That will allow them to expand the production line, while focusing on quality for the existing production capacity.

Companies generally produce high-trim models first, as early customers generally want those and don't mind paying the high price, padding the company's bottom line in the process. The affordable mass production trims always come later. Besides, who in their right mind would launch a product with the crappiest trim?

Its been stated many times quad will not be out on release. It remains to be seen if this will be something we get in the future, but i'm pretty confident Musk will get his Plaid truck one day.. Tri motors will likely be the most produced trim with few duals produced and delivered, at least till next summer. Then an iteration or two of the cyber-cell down the line, we will see the quad motor plaid variant that pushes a 2 second 0-60

Smoking Ferraris wasnt enough, Elon wants to do it while towing a 5th wheel. Take the whole family down the drag strip!

 

[cvalue13]

Why do you think this? If the # of CTs is limited by cells, i guess it sort of makes sense.

cell constraint exists,

 

[Baldey]

cell constraint exists,

As i elaborated in the rest of my post, i don't think that this alone is enough reason.. Pros simply outweigh the cons. At the end of the day, they will sell the same number of cells: all of them. Putting them into dual motor trims just to make delivery number go up, is baboon logic, excuse my speech..

They can make profit number go up more by charing a higher premium for the same cells by offering higher trims first.

 

[cvalue13]

As i elaborated in the rest of my post, i don't think that this alone is enough reason.. Pros simply outweigh the cons. At the end of the day, they will sell the same number of cells: all of them. Putting them into dual motor trims just to make number go up, is baboon logic, excuse my speech..

that alone you may not find enough

that alone isn’t the extent my reasons

 

[Baldey]

that alone you may not find enough

that alone isn’t the extent my reasons

and thats why i am asking for more! so again, why do you think dual motor trim will be the most common, and tri will be very rare on release? Because as i see it, the cell constraint is an argument FOR tri motor, not against.

 

[SSonnentag]

and thats why i am asking for more! so again, why do you think dual motor trim will be the most common, and tri will be very rare on release? Because as i see it, the cell constraint is an argument FOR tri motor, not against.

I agree. The production line will start slowly and then ramp up production numbers over the next 18 months. Cell production should have no problem keeping up with the initial run rate while installing the larger battery pack.

 

[CyberGus]

*pretty* confident it’s this, with the caveat that tri’s will be rare as hens teeth for quite some time

So many fowl metaphors here. It's not like it's Shakespeare or something, though.

Or is it...

PANDARUS: Troilus? Why, he esteems her no more than​

I esteem an addle egg.​

CRESSIDA: If you love an addle egg as well as you love​

an idle head, you would eat chickens in the shell.​

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- Troilus and Cressida, Act 1 Scene 2​

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