⛔️ NO RESALE language REMOVED for Cybertruck sales agreement! ✏️ 📄

[Arctic_White]

Absolutely. What happened is that Tesla went live with the Cybertruck "no-flipping" clause embeded in the Purchase/Sale Agreement for all their models and someone higher up wondered why that clause was added to the contracts of all their customers when it's only relevant to the Cybertruck, a model that Tesla would be lucky to deliver much more than 1000 of this year.

I will bet dollars to donuts that clause is in all Cybertruck Purchase/Sale Agreements.

People who want to use the Cybertruck release to scalp end users of the Cybertruck can go weep in a dark corner somewhere. To them I say, get a productive job instead of trying to selfishly create profit, without adding any real value, by extending our already long waits.

Bingo.

In the past, Tesla has blacklisted customers who "flipped" their vehicles within a certain timeframe. Despite not having a resale clause in the refreshed 2021+ Model S, Tesla still banned those customers who bought and flipped it for a modest profit.

The Model S is hardly a niche vehicle. If Tesla did that for the S, don't we think they would be stupid not to do it for the Cybertruck?

@cvalue13, there are dozens of posters here who have multiple orders. Don't be that naive to think that a good portion (I don't know exactly what %) of all reservations are multiple orders. $100 fully refundable deposit is not a lot of money for a chance to make some decent coin by flipping.

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[ÆCIII]

I'm just a nobody on these forums. Never had any idea I would have some 'passionate' fans. I don't even use X because this forum takes all the time that I would ever want to spend, which isn't that much. Some people apparently have a lot more time than others.

- ÆCIII

 

[Rozonoe]

What have you seen that gives Cybertruck buyers the right to flip them? In fact, it says you don't have that right. And where do you think the Cybertruck specific language came from?

That's right, from a purchase/sales form designed to apply to the Cybertruck.

Wanna-be flippers and scalpers can read it and weep!

I'm no scalper but if after taking delivery I don't like my purchase for whatever reason, I should be able to sell it.

 

[Rozonoe]

If someone is a bad steward of their resources or puts themselves in a precarious financial position with their capital assets such as a house, they should not anticipate nor depend on profit schemes (of any kind) to reconcile their mistakes, and it's certainly not Tesla's fault. They should find honest ways of being sustainable with their contributions and resources they get in return.

Too much of this "woe is me the victim I've made myself become" and "it's someone else's fault that I cannot be truthful or find a genuine way to sustain" The human mind is blessed, if people will only have faith and believe in themselves, have patience for long-term (but real) solutions, and stop being selfishly resentful when quick fixes or get rich quick schemes don't pan out.

- ÆCIII

I want the Freedom to do what I want with my Cybertruck. I only have 1 reservation.

 

[Rozonoe]

Absolutely. What happened is that Tesla went live with the Cybertruck "no-flipping" clause embeded in the Purchase/Sale Agreement for all their models and someone higher up wondered why that clause was added to the contracts of all their customers when it's only relevant to the Cybertruck, a model that Tesla would be lucky to deliver much more than 1000 of this year.

I will bet dollars to donuts that clause is in all Cybertruck Purchase/Sale Agreements.

People who want to use the Cybertruck release to scalp end users of the Cybertruck can go weep in a dark corner somewhere. To them I say, get a productive job instead of trying to selfishly create profit, without adding any real value, by extending our already long waits.

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[Rozonoe]

That would be rewarding bad driving. If you total your Cybertruck, you have to go to the end of the line!

What about a semi rear end my Cybertruck ? Is that considered bad driving?

 

[ÆCIII]

I want the Freedom to do what I want with my Cybertruck. I only have 1 reservation.

There are always conditions. That's why you have to sign an MVPA. You are Free to accept it or refuse it, but Tesla has Freedom to not sell to someone not signing it. Tesla is not the only vehicle manufacturer to require such conditions. Once a few years goes by, I'm sure Tesla would have no issues with you selling to another individual.

- ÆCIII

 

[Rozonoe]

Scalpers no scalping!

The preorders came at a time when scalpers were running rampant, all it took is a bot, free time, and a lack of human decency to make a quick buck. Concert-goers, kids wanting a PS5 or xbox, and the nearly the entire crypto currency market were all victims (not to mention TSLA short sellers in an additional layer of scalpiness).

To me it's pretty obvious that people who have 0 intention of keeping the Cybertruck should not be rewarded just because they could click a button first (perhaps an exclusion for Munro who will immediately tear it apart, but for science).

Anyone who buys one and decides it's not for them can sell it back to Tesla, they just have to trust they won't lose money unfairly in the exchange.

The nanny state becomes necessary when a bunch of inbreds prove that they need one

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[Rozonoe]

There are always conditions. That's why you have to sign an MVPA. You are Free to accept it or refuse it, but Tesla has Freedom to not sell to someone not signing it. Tesla is not the only vehicle manufacturer to require such conditions. Once a few years goes by, I'm sure Tesla would have no issues with you selling to another individual.

- ÆCIII

Hope you are wrong.

 

[ÆCIII]

There are always conditions. That's why you have to sign an MVPA. You are Free to accept it or refuse it, but Tesla has Freedom to not sell to someone not signing it. Tesla is not the only vehicle manufacturer to require such conditions. Once a few years goes by, I'm sure Tesla would have no issues with you selling to another individual.

- ÆCIII

Hope you are wrong.

I might be 'wrong', as I wasn't trying to be exact in that statement, but rather was using a 'worst' case. But it could be as soon as 1 year, or who knows maybe months like other manufacturers have done. But regardless of how flexible Tesla might by while still trying to protect their support integrity and customer experience, there will always still be some that complain and will never be satisfied.

- ÆCIII

 

[Rozonoe]

I might be 'wrong', as I wasn't trying to be exact in that statement, but rather was using a 'worst' case. But it could be as soon as 1 year, or who knows maybe months like other manufacturers have done. But regardless of how flexible Tesla might by while still trying to protect their support integrity and customer experience, there will always still be some that complain and will never be satisfied.

- ÆCIII

Like you

 

[ÆCIII]

Like you

I signed my last Tesla MVPA and have not complained about it since.

I'm glad you 'Like me'.

- ÆCIII

 

[cvalue13]

@cvalue13, there are dozens of posters here who have multiple orders. Don't be that naive to think that a good portion (I don't know exactly what %) of all reservations are multiple orders. $100 fully refundable deposit is not a lot of money for a chance to make some decent coin by flipping.

I don’t know to what comment you’re responding, but I can only into it it’s this: that people are merely using their emotions and some sloppy deductions to come up with a feeling about how many true scalpers exist, you are responding with further emotions and sloppy deductions.

not to mention, that the thrust of my comments on this topic result in the following: I don’t care if the percentage of scalpers holding reservations is a full 50%, because even if that were true, I would expect tesla to come up with a workable, non-draconian, solution that did not involve punishing the remaining 50% of legitimate buyers and enthusiasts.

and any legitimate buyer or enthusiast that naïvely and happily signs up to that provision, as though it’s good for them, and proselytizes to others that it’s also good for them, I have no hesitation in assuming they are clueless and confused.

It’s on top of all the above, merely as an aside, and for your information, that I have made any mention of the notion that “and meanwhile, I think people are over, blowing the number of scalpers, and the real world affects it would have on their wait times to get their truck.”

 

[Arctic_White]

I don’t know to what comment you’re responding, but I can only into it it’s this: that people are merely using their emotions and some sloppy deductions to come up with a feeling about how many true scalpers exist, you are responding with further emotions and sloppy deductions.

not to mention, that the thrust of my comments on this topic result in the following: I don’t care if the percentage of scalpers holding reservations is a full 50%, because even if that were true, I would expect tesla to come up with a workable, non-draconian, solution that did not involve punishing the remaining 50% of legitimate buyers and enthusiasts.

and any legitimate buyer or enthusiast that naïvely and happily signs up to that provision, as though it’s good for them, and proselytizes to others that it’s also good for them, I have no hesitation in assuming they are clueless and confused.

It’s on top of all the above, merely as an aside, and for your information, that I have made any mention of the notion that “and meanwhile, I think people are over, blowing the number of scalpers, and the real world affects it would have on their wait times to get their truck.”

It appears that we are all aligned and talking about the same thing. LOL.

However, from your posts, it appeared that you were comfortable with the scalping, and that's why you got the comments that you did.

I don't think you want scalpers but maybe I misunderstood your posts?

At the end of the day, Tesla can and will do whatever it needs to ensure that the scalping situation is limited. They did the same with their previous vehicles and it is not unheard of in the automotive industry to put some clauses to ensure that this scalping issue is minimized.

 

[PilotPete]

Let alone the whole delayed effect of how multiple orders could be placed when reservations started. Seeing you could only reserve one CT at a time, by the time you got the second order in a 1000 others would of gotten a place in front of you. The site didn't allow for quantities over one to be ordered at a time.

Well JB,

This assumes a single individual is doing it, without the help of automation. And it does happen when you get money involved.

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