WTH is Tesla doing....

[Alan]

Should start a pole asking how many people with a res # starting with 11274 have not gotten an invite also 11275, 11276

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[TECH49]

Should start a pole asking how many people with a res # starting with 11274 have not gotten an invite also 11275, 11276

11274. Nothing. Nada. Zip. DFW, have 2 Teslas. Didnt indicate FSD. Which feels like an unchecked box.

 

[HaulingAss]

Be fair now. Tesla NEVER proposed a $39K truck with 500+ miles of range. Never, ever did. They didn’t propose a $49K truck with 500+ miles of range. They didn’t propose a $59K truck with 500+ miles of range. If the reservation list is to be believed, the vast majority of the reservations were made on a truck with 300+ miles of range. Guess what? Tesla DELIVERED a 340 mile truck.

Exactly! It's actually better than that for most people, people who didn't order the top-trim spec Tri-Motor but the more practical Dual Motor:

The reveal specs in 2019 anticipated a truck with 300+ miles of EPA range but Tesla delivered one with 340 miles. The towing capacity was anticipated to be 10K but Tesla delivered one with 11K lbs. The 0-60 mph acceleration was anticipated to be 4.5 sec. but Tesla delivered a significantly quicker one with a 0-60 mph acceleration of only 4.1 seconds. The ground clearance was anticipated to be 16 inches, Tesla delivered a truck with an astounding 17.4 inches of ground clearance, unmatched by any other production truck. It's not even close.

These are specs that are better than the anticipated specs that you won't find being touted in the mainstream media, because they prefer to focus only on the anticipated specs that were not hit.

Combine all those specs that were beat, with the nimble handling of four-wheel steering and steer by wire, and the price inflation of ICE pickup trucks in the last 4 years and the dual motor Cybertruck looks like a screaming deal (as long as you don't pay the $20K Foundation Series premium). Of course, the mainstream media isn't going to tout these beats, they want to focus on how Elon never keeps his "promises". That's the narrative that would be shattered if they focused on the beats instead of the misses.

People need to open their eyes and start focusing on reality, instead of the biased narratives pushed by the media. Fewer and fewer people can think for themselves with all the fake narratives being amplified by the media and the lack of critical thinking skills people seem to have these days.

Sure, those who think they need 500+ miles of range will have to go with sucky ICE trucks for a few more years, but that is a small minority of all truck buyers.

 

[HaulingAss]

Non transferability for FSD that likely won't work during the lifetime of some of the cars but people paid full price for.

Everybody who has ordered FSD so far has paid much less than the price it will be when it's no longer beta and can drive itself. I'm talking tens of thousands of dollars less.

So, no, no one has paid "full price", everyone who has bought it so far is getting a huge discount vs. it's eventual full price because there is no guarantee it will live up to expectations within the life of the car. If FSD does go live during ownership, people who bought it will have got a screaming deal.

Do you have any idea how much a driverless car is actually worth on the open market? Even if it's old and beat up. Of course not, because such a thing doesn't exist yet. But, when it does, you will see it's worth a lot more than you thought. No one knows if that will be in 6 months or 6 years so people who paid $3500 years ago were taking a gamble, just like people who pay $7000 or $12,000 now are taking a gamble.

 

[Bkb13]

11274. Nothing. Nada. Zip. DFW, have 2 Teslas. Didnt indicate FSD. Which feels like an unchecked box.

Do you have an address on the profile settings page of your tesla.com account? I have a theory that the majority of early reservations that did not get a foundation invite had no address.

 

[Gigahorse]

Everybody who has ordered FSD so far has paid much less than the price it will be when it's no longer beta and can drive itself. I'm talking tens of thousands of dollars less.

So, no, no one has paid "full price", everyone who has bought it so far is getting a huge discount vs. it's eventual full price because there is no guarantee it will live up to expectations within the life of the car. If FSD does go live during ownership, people who bought it will have got a screaming deal.

Do you have any idea how much a driverless car is actually worth on the open market? Even if it's old and beat up. Of course not, because such a thing doesn't exist yet. But, when it does, you will see it's worth a lot more than you thought. No one knows if that will be in 6 months or 6 years so people who paid $3500 years ago were taking a gamble, just like people who pay $7000 or $12,000 now are taking a gamble.

With the way things are going driverless is a decade + out, Elon and Tesla have been saying "next year" for about the last 8 years. Believe the CT will be 10+ years old and have gone through a battery or two before it can drive itself.

 

[TECH49]

Do you have an address on the profile settings page of your tesla.com account? I have a theory that the majority of early reservations that did not get a foundation invite had no address.

Yes, I should have mentioned it. My account was initially set up completely to order the MY when it was announced. Pretty sure that's when my address information was added. My account also has me as a verified shareholder. I've mentioned this before, but the original email address on my account changed so it was updated a couple years ago. I still have access to the original email. I didn't receive the discount email many got to either address.

I also have a very good friend local to me that was many thousands behind my reservation, owns 3 Teslas, all used, and is farther away from the closest service center. He is not an insider or an influencer. He received an invite last week. The only difference we can find is he did indicate FSD on his reservation.

 

[HaulingAss]

With the way things are going driverless is a decade + out, Elon and Tesla have been saying "next year" for about the last 8 years. Believe the CT will be 10+ years old and have gone through a battery or two before it can drive itself.

Your opinion is not supported by the facts. And, no, Elon has not been saying "about a year" for 8 years, he started saying that 5 or 6 years ago, but they kept running into local maximums. The progress is accelerating rapidly with dojo starting to come online.

I'm guessing you have not been using FSD beta for the last several years, probably not at all? It's hard to have an informed opinion if you haven't been using it first hand.

 

[Sjohnson20]

I had FSD on my Model 3, and my Model Y and I hated it. Anybody that can put up with that has the patience of a saint.

Every time they updated it to fix something then something else would break. It drove me straight into the planter in the front of my neighborhood one day when it never did that before. It would suddenly jump into another lane. One day it hit the brakes full stop on a 50 mile an hour road.

It is amazing what it can do, but it's not ready. I also think it's going to be 10 years before a car is driving itself around and we are along for the ride. And it won't be the current gen cars or even the 2024 Cybertruck.

 

[Tinker71]

Everybody who has ordered FSD so far has paid much less than the price it will be when it's no longer beta and can drive itself. I'm talking tens of thousands of dollars less.

So, no, no one has paid "full price", everyone who has bought it so far is getting a huge discount vs. it's eventual full price because there is no guarantee it will live up to expectations within the life of the car. If FSD does go live during ownership, people who bought it will have got a screaming deal.

Do you have any idea how much a driverless car is actually worth on the open market? Even if it's old and beat up. Of course not, because such a thing doesn't exist yet. But, when it does, you will see it's worth a lot more than you thought. No one knows if that will be in 6 months or 6 years so people who paid $3500 years ago were taking a gamble, just like people who pay $7000 or $12,000 now are taking a gamble.

Level 4 in a year maybe. Then another year for Level 5 and level 5 will require another subscription on top of FSD. We don't know what that will cost so ?

 

[Sjohnson20]

Only reason I'll have Cybertruck FSD is if I buy this early version that has it included. I do like autopilot on the highway so having advanced autopilot would be nice.

 

[jookyone]

The reveal specs in 2019 anticipated a truck with 300+ miles of EPA range but Tesla delivered one with 340 miles. The towing capacity was anticipated to be 10K but Tesla delivered one with 11K lbs. The 0-60 mph acceleration was anticipated to be 4.5 sec. but Tesla delivered a significantly quicker one with a 0-60 mph acceleration of only 4.1 seconds. The ground clearance was anticipated to be 16 inches, Tesla delivered a truck with an astounding 17.4 inches of ground clearance, unmatched by any other production truck.

Couldn't have said this better myself. They delivered a better AWD truck but kinda forcing some to buy the FSD baked into the Founders Series markup (as well as inflation markup). I myself had selected FSD in my order and received an invite once I added my address to my account (RN112744).
If I look at what I paid for a 7-seat 2023 Model X LR a month ago ($86k) without FSD, and consider the value proposition against a CT with FSD, it was easy to make the decision.
Granted it wasn't the steal of the century at the promised price points, but the value is still there in my opinion.

 

[Tiberius]

Couldn't have said this better myself. They delivered a better AWD truck but kinda forcing some to buy the FSD baked into the Founders Series markup (as well as inflation markup). I myself had selected FSD in my order and received an invite once I added my address to my account (RN112744).
If I look at what I paid for a 7-seat 2023 Model X LR a month ago ($86k) without FSD, and consider the value proposition against a CT with FSD, it was easy to make the decision.
Granted it wasn't the steal of the century at the promised price points, but the value is still there in my opinion.

agreed - all the bleating so far seems to be folks expecting that somehow Tesla would launch a $39k truck with AWD and 500 miles range, all while conveniently missing that not one of the low end any car meets the top end specs. The whole market has moved on and upmarket, but so many folks expect Tesla to stick to predictions from four years ago - and they get annoyed that reality doesn't meet unrealistic expectations. Even better, the specs for the RWD have yet to be set -and still folks are angry.
Personally, the real world is alive and well

 

[Gurule92]

Dang. Still nothing for me in CO.

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