Dealing with FSD and Pay attention to the road

[L3it3R]

Agree to disagree. This may have been the least YOU have experienced, but clearly many others are experiencing something quite different. If the thread is that tiresome, maybe don't click on it?

I do find it useful to know that some others would subjectively say that they believe this version has been the least attention warnings. Valid data points.

I guess “tiresome” because the warnings are sooooo much less than they were before.

Not strikes, mind you. Just “pay attention” warnings, or what we used to call “nudges”. I can literally go hours without one.

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[Dmayo305]

I guess “tiresome” because the warnings are sooooo much less than they were before.

Not strikes, mind you. Just “pay attention” warnings, or what we used to call “nudges”. I can literally go hours without one.

That's so interesting because I'm having the complete opposite experience.

 

[seussiii]

Ok so which warnings will get you strikes and temp removed from FSD? Or is that no longer a thing?

I get attention warnings often but I take them in SHAME because It’s 100% typically me doing stupid stuff I know I shouldn’t be doing. Lol

 

[3cyberbeast]

Couldn’t agree more! I love my CT, but the constant warnings to Pay Attention are like driving with your parent in the car! It definitely got worse with the latest update (v.13.2.2) and now flashes blue on the screen when I’m pressing the accelerator while on FSD! It sucks much of the enjoyment out of FSD!

If you put some pressure on steering wheel, it will be more forgiving. Also wearing sunglasses helps a lot. Someone had mentioned that hat that covers your eyes that could also work, but I have not tried that.

 

[jonesw67]

Ok so which warnings will get you strikes and temp removed from FSD? Or is that no longer a thing?

I get attention warnings often but I take them in SHAME because It’s 100% typically me doing stupid stuff I know I shouldn’t be doing. Lol

The warnings that count towards a strike are the ones where the hands are “Red” in the image holding the steering wheel. Anything else is cautionary. (I have tested this to be sure before a long trip so I knew what to expect)
10 of those on the same trip will give a large flashing image with audio alarm, and a message to take over immediately. That’s when you get a strike and can’t engage FSD for the rest of that trip.
At 5 strikes you are done and FSD will no longer engage
1 strikes removes each week.

 

[65SoYoLO]

There's gotta be something going on with the interior cameras from truck to truck, hidden driver statistics, or something else that's not a constant. I use FSD for 90% of my driving, and I only get very rare warnings - usually if I'm hunting for music or something for too long. I fiddle with the map, set driving dynamics, etc, and still don't get warned. I don't think I've ever gotten a strike.

It's weird how sensitive some it seems to be for some, and how lenient for others. Or maybe I have giant eyeballs... ??

wow, It is almost to the point that I can't look at the screen without getting a "please pay attention to the road" or something like that, I am not allowed to read it all!!!

 

[65SoYoLO]

That’s when you get a strike and can’t engage FSD for the rest of the trip

or until you stop at a red light and open and close the door.

 

[SCTesla]

or until you stop at a red light and open and close the door.

You don't have to open the door. Just put it in park, then drive.

 

[65SoYoLO]

You don't have to open the door. Just put it in park, then drive.

I will try that next time but I have 4 strikes, I hope one goes away soon.

 

[mark555055c]

OK, so let me start by saying that I love my CB. FSD latest version is awesome. and I have done over 12k miles so far, some of them on long 1500-mile round trips with FSD (mostly on)

However, attention monitoring is driving me nuts.

If I change the temperature....Pay attention....
If I change volume....pay attention...
if I change media..... pay attention...
If I look for closest coffee location on destinations..... pay attention...
If I get gum out of my center console... looking forward almost all of the time.... Pay attention...
If I sneeze ..... yep...sneeze... pay attention....
even if I am looking straight out of the front window.... I can get.... pay attention...

I then have to disengage FSD manually (and I report it) just to make sure I don't get a strike

I have cleaned the internal camera to make sure its not that.

Is this what you are all experiencing as well... seems even more sensitive since last update.... and these are all things i am doing while still being responsible looking at the road, like i would in any car....

Attention monitoring is pretty sensitive, which is good, but it's no where near what you are describing. It sounds to me like you are doing a lot of stuff on the screen, and not paying attention. Or, maybe too much coffee? LOL

You may be just gazing around too much too quickly. I do notice if i am fiddling with Spotify, it will ding me even if i quickly gaze up and down many times in a row. I assume Tesla has some logic built in that measures attention with timers. Something like pupils forward for X amount of seconds resets an attention timer.

If you can't complete a drive without getting a strike, and you are looking straight ahead, then you probably need to ask service about it.

 

[jonesw67]

Attention monitoring is pretty sensitive, which is good, but it's no where near what you are describing. It sounds to me like you are doing a lot of stuff on the screen, and not paying attention. Or, maybe too much coffee? LOL

You may be just gazing around too much too quickly. I do notice if i am fiddling with Spotify, it will ding me even if i quickly gaze up and down many times in a row. I assume Tesla has some logic built in that measures attention with timers. Something like pupils forward for X amount of seconds resets an attention timer.

If you can't complete a drive without getting a strike, and you are looking straight ahead, then you probably need to ask service about it.

Nope. Not doing a lot of stuff. I was trying to highlight how sensitive it is and you are not able to even perform basic driving tasks that should not get you dinged.
I know what excessive time doing something would be and I can even get a ding just looking forward sometimes. It’s way too sensitive and that seems to be the case with many others in this thread. That’s all I was trying to highlight and while it needs to make sure you are paying attention, it should be toned down a little to allow for things you would expect to be able to do while still keeping an eye on the road.
I should not have to Turn FSD off to do something “normal” and then turn it back on afterwards. Just seems like it needs to be tweaked.

 

[mark555055c]

Nope. Not doing a lot of stuff. I was trying to highlight how sensitive it is and you are not able to even perform basic driving tasks that should not get you dinged.
I know what excessive time doing something would be and I can even get a ding just looking forward sometimes. It’s way too sensitive and that seems to be the case with many others in this thread. That’s all I was trying to highlight and while it needs to make sure you are paying attention, it should be toned down a little to allow for things you would expect to be able to do while still keeping an eye on the road.
I should not have to Turn FSD off to do something “normal” and then turn it back on afterwards. Just seems like it needs to be tweaked.

Yeah, i expect over time they will slowly reduced the sensitivity, and even turn off attention monitoring at some point.

I look forward to the day i can get some good gaming in during my commute to work.

 

[seussiii]

Might be A/B testing? Some of yalls experiences seem completely different than mine. FSD drives 90% of the time for all of my miles at this point. I do definitely get attention warnings but nothing crazier than the previous versions.

Only time I really get them is if I try to do too many tasks back to back. Like... navigate something on screen and then pick up my phone. But...in those cases I acknowledge that I'm being a knucklehead.

 

[mark555055c]

Might be A/B testing? Some of yalls experiences seem completely different than mine. FSD drives 90% of the time for all of my miles at this point. I do definitely get attention warnings but nothing crazier than the previous versions.

Only time I really get them is if I try to do too many tasks back to back. Like... navigate something on screen and then pick up my phone. But...in those cases I acknowledge that I'm being a knucklehead.

yep, same here. i really have to be not paying attention for it to warn me excessively.

 

[dalton108]

Attention monitoring is pretty sensitive, which is good, but it's no where near what you are describing. It sounds to me like you are doing a lot of stuff on the screen, and not paying attention. Or, maybe too much coffee? LOL

You may be just gazing around too much too quickly. I do notice if i am fiddling with Spotify, it will ding me even if i quickly gaze up and down many times in a row. I assume Tesla has some logic built in that measures attention with timers. Something like pupils forward for X amount of seconds resets an attention timer.

If you can't complete a drive without getting a strike, and you are looking straight ahead, then you probably need to ask service about it.

This is like antenna-gate with Apple telling people “you’re holding the phone wrong.” ?

He’s looking around too quickly?!? What is the government standard looking around speed, pray tell?

You guys are bananas! If it’s not affecting you, it’s not affecting you. Great! You’re a good pet!

Nonetheless, they dialed it up too high and need to back it off. It’s just that simple.

I’ve been driving for 40 years (at-fault accident free) in nearly every state in this nation (to include every accessible Hawaiian Island and Alaska), plus internationally, and I’m teaching this car how to drive, not the other way around! I know exactly how much I need to pay attention to the road versus fidgeting with controls inside of my vehicle or “gazing around.”

We don’t need Elon, you, the government or anybody else telling us whether a nanny system is too sensitive. Until Tesla and Elon are assuming the risk for any accidents that may occur (once FSD becomes unsupervised), I’m the decider! ME!

Tesla has every right to make it as sensitive as they want it to be. But if this continues, I’m going to stop using it.

But, I’m not concerned about you naysayers, because I know the Tesla engineers are sensitive to this and they have made modifications over the years that I’ve been using FSD, and they will again.

Chuck Cook saying that it is hypersensitive - with his direct line to the engineers - is going to move this needle far faster than anything we say or do here. So, I don’t have the slightest concern that this won’t be addressed.

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