Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[JBee]

ICE use less, but they still use more per mile. And stoplights kill them, hence the reason why so many manufacturers are using stop-start at traffic lights.
A Model 3's range peak around 35mph. ICE numbers are well above there.

From fueleconomy.gov

Every number is much better on the highway than the EV below.

The only time an ICE does not use less fuel by reducing speed is if you go slower than the highest gear in idle because it stalls. Hence stop n go ICE and hybrids, so they use less.

Inherently there is no physics defying stunt between ICE and EV, where ICE uses less energy but does more work in comparison to a EV.

Or what exactly are you trying to say?

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[cvalue13]

I'm going to have to look up tyre aero drag to get an idea of how disruptive this can be.

here’s an assist from our friend at Engineering explained - he gets into the aero effects of wheel/tire design in most of the video



What he also gets into separately is rolling resistance

He compares a highly efficient tire with a coefficient of Rr of 0.005 vs one with 3X a co of Rr at 0.015

under those assumptions, with a car weighing 4000kg, driving 200mi, it results in a delta of 16kWh or 53mi of driving

So the question for the CT, when it comes to street vs AT, becomes what is the relative delta in Rr between the two

whatever that is, add on top of it the effects to aero - which are likely the predominant effect of AT’s vs street tires at hey speeds

but if the coefficient of Rr between Street and AT is say 3X (as in the vid above), then a hey test that involves long distances like 200mi, can result in a significant range delta in a 6,800lb truck

it was a delta of 53mi, in a 4000lb sedan.

 

[Woodrick]

Well, I currently drive a previous generation of the Toyota Sequoia.

My long highway drive are usually LA to San Francisco, via highway 5.

I don't care about mileage, I just follow traffic. I usually set to follow any reasonably fast car ahead.

80mph is the norm. 90mph burst happens every 5 min for passing.

You drive 65-70 on an relatively empty highway 5, you're going slower than some box trucks.

You drive an empty car for 500miles? I'd take an airplane.

The point of a 500mile road trip is to get there loaded. 4 people, plus luggage and fun gear (skiis for instance, not just a backpack for each).

I'm hoping the AWD CT will do 250miles at least no matter how you drive or how much you load it.

350 if you drive it like a Prius. And I absolutely hate those hypermiling people who coast to a stop in the city and take 30 sec to go from 0-45. I don't see Teslas doing that much. I hope the CT will be reasonable enough.

If it's less than 250 fully loaded and driving at California traffic speeds.

I'm out.

For your purposes, I'm pretty sure that it is going to meet, if not exceed all expectations, even after initial battery degradation. Just be aware that if you were in colder climates, you won't be getting the range on colder days, more like 200 max.
But for the vast majority of trips (and it will get even better) that doesn't really make a difference.

 

[Woodrick]

here’s an assist from our friend at Engineering explained - he gets into the aero effects of wheel/tire design in most of the video



What he also gets into separately is rolling resistance

He compares a highly efficient tire with a coefficient of Rr of 0.005 vs one with 3X a co of Rr at 0.015

under those assumptions, with a car weighing 4000kg, driving 200mi, it results in a delta of 16kWh or 53mi of driving

So the question for the CT, when it comes to street vs AT, becomes what is the relative delta in Rr between the two

whatever that is, add on top of it the effects to aero - which are likely the predominant effect of AT’s vs street tires at hey speeds

but if the coefficient of Rr between Street and AT is say 3X (as in the vid above), then a hey test that involves long distances like 200mi, can result in a significant range delta in a 6,800lb truck

it was a delta of 53mi, in a 4000lb sedan.

It's an already specified difference of 20 miles for the Cybertruck.

 

[Woodrick]

So the screenshots etc on the first page of this are from Youtube, X, Tiktok, and Facebook. Nottttttt exactly ideal sources, but the 5 different sets of data now are at least SOMETHING in the void of information on real world numbers on this truck.

I know, you've repeated it many times.

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Due to a recent injury I have had a LOT of screen time and have seen some CT stuff that others have not, posted some of that in this tread for people like myself hungry for real world data, some of that data is disappointing for someone who has waited 4 years for a CT, like myself.
I don't understand why you would create an account simply to flame me for posting info that is new, interesting, and TBH in some cases hard to find.
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That's pretty much the same as older folks continuously watching C-SPAN. You get to the point where you actually can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy.

I didn't create a post to flame or criticize you. I create one to come here and learn, as well as to help other newbies. And that often means that some threads that are wrong, need to be clarified.

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All of that said, no hard feelings and I hope if you get a CT to over 400 miles you post a video or some pics of it.
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I'll show you a picture of it indicating 999 miles, just got to get up into the hills to do it.
But truly, stop listening to everything on YouTube, where the posters don't have to worry about telling the truth and go to places where the truth is required because of law.

Tesla is showing the EPA numbers, they aren't what you are going to get at 75 mph. But they are really close to what you will get at 60 mph.

 

[HaulingAss]

And please turn fanboi back to 9 from 11 please.
Nobody is interested is continuous unrealistic rants on how Tesla is infallible.

It's baffling how my discussion of various things that can impact EPA range, or anything else I've ever said, made you claim I was saying Tesla is infallible. No offense, but that demonstrates a serious disconnect from reality. Yes, I'm a HUGE fan of Tesla, not because they are infalliable (far from it), but because they have shown how much better they are than gas vehicles and even than their EV competitors. It's generally a good sign when a company has a lot of fans, it means people love their products. The fact that bothers you says more about you than those who love their products.

I think you are still butt-hurt from me calling out your false claims that the stainless-steel panels are not structural and load bearing, when that's exactly what has since been confirmed by Tesla's lead engineer of automotive (that they are load bearing, just as I corrected you many times). It's OK to be wrong, but it's not a good look when you continue to pretend that you were right all along.

I'm sorry if I have caused you emotional pain, but you have to pull yourself together and stop claiming that I said Tesla is infallible. Tesla is obviously better than the rest of their competition, and that seems to pain you, for some unknown reason.

 

[HaulingAss]

Not impossible, probably sales. My wife drove her Ford ICE car over 40,000 miles a year, 2 years in a row (company car). She is in sales and calls on auto, motorcycle and equipment dealerships. She would often have 2-3 meetings, hours apart in a single day and then return home.

No wonder cars, motorcycles and power equipment dealerships have such high prices. The customer has to pay for all that driving in the name of "sales and marketing". And we all know "sales and marketing" is just a covert way of saying they are trying to get more people to pay higher prices for a product than they would otherwise pay.

Sales meetings seem weird to me, especially ones that require long-distance driving. If the product is so good, why do people need to drive long distances simply to sell them, and why should customers be forced to pay for all that driving?

This is why Tesla has a superior business model to traditional auto, Tesla focuses on making the product better and more compelling, not on having a bunch of meetings that basically amount to conspiring to convince you that it's more compelling.

 

[HaulingAss]

I know, you've repeated it many times.

You need to remove the backslash before the first "[/QUOTE]" of each quote.

 

[HaulingAss]

Pretty much useless as a work truck without the range extender. If all these new numbers on range stats are close to accurate WITH the range extender the CT will have like 250-380 miles of real world range

I can tell you have no real EV experience and don't know what you are talking about. You are a Johnny-come-lately who continually spouts negative Tesla rhetoric that doesn't ring true to more experienced EV drivers.

If you are lucky, you will fool a few other people who are equally ignorant about electric vehicles.

 

[HaulingAss]

Yeah, I am a second day reservation holder, but I think I will wait a couple of years for the 3rd generation 4680 and a lower price.

It's a given that EV technology will continue to get cheaper and better, but you have a lot more restraint than I do. Because the tech is already beyond where it needs to be to exceed my needs. My plan is to sell the Foundation Series Cybertruck when a lighter, cheaper, better one is introduced (probably in late 2025).

My first laptop computer cost $6,000 in 1995, a HUGE amount of money back then, and half that much 4 or 5 years later. And it was slimmer and faster, with longer battery life. But the high price didn't bother me because it was one of my primary tools for making money and I wanted the best available at the time, even if it cost a lot.

Automotive EV technology, in terms of improvements and cost reductions, doesn't move as fast as pure computer tech, but it's the same principle.

 

[cvalue13]

It's an already specified difference of 20 miles for the Cybertruck.

no, it’s not

this is the point, specifically the one you’re apparently missing

It’s a specified difference of 20mi only at EPA blended milage conditions

under other conditions, it can vary wildly. Especially at EPA highway conditions (48mi average), and exponentially more at sustained higher speeds (eg 75mph sustained)


again, perhaps a reality of the physics of BEV truck range that is so far lost on folks with only BEV sedan experience.


the same crowd that for two years has been sh*tting on Lightning range, based on the same fundamental understandings

lots of crow-eating on the horizon, when folks realize that a whole lot of the range effects on Lightnings are a result not of Ford/engineering, but instead physics/universal constants

 

[Gigahorse]

Tesla anticipates that you will be able to get close to the 500 miles with the range extender. They still have some tweaking to do though. But then again the range extender isn't expected for awhile.

And I can tell you that estimating 50% degradation for towing is a fools folly.
A large portion of the degradation from towing is based on the drag coeeficient of the trailer. I've got two boats, a SeadDoo Switch small sailboat. The Switch, like many pontoon boats has a front wall that kills the aerodynamics. The sailboat is aerodynamically designed to begin with . With the Switch, I'd beg for only 50% degradation. for the sailboat, it barely appears.

So just flat out saying 50% just ain't going to cut it.

Yea with my limited EV towing experience I know it is bad, but every time I have approached 50%+ degradation I have been hit with being an EV hater or Tesla short seller. Towing is the main reason for needing range with this truck for sure.

 

[lowtek]

Yea with my limited EV towing experience I know it is bad, but every time I have approached 50%+ degradation I have been hit with being an EV hater or Tesla short seller. Towing is the main reason for needing range with this truck for sure.

Cybertruck isn't for you ... next

 

[HaulingAss]

It's not brutal to drive for three hours and have to stop. If you want faster charging times, you need to:

• Know where the v4 chargers are;
• (Wait for the v4 and Cybertruck battery shakeout period,)
• Have a target charge of under 10% to arrive at;
• Stop charging when you have the minimum to get to the next charger.

The only reason you charge to 90% is if you aren't going to make it to the next charger.

You want to charge faster on a road trip? Buy a smaller EV.

Exactly! The people spouting this nonsense of how long it takes to charge to 80-90% make me scratch my head. In my Model 3 Performance, I typically unplug at 55%-60% battery level and then skip the next one or two Superchargers.

It's important for EV neophytes to realize that a pickup truck is not the optimal solution for long Interstate travel, compared to a Model 3, which is super sleek and aero. Even if Cybertruck had a 500 mile battery, charging stops on long trips are going to be longer than on a car that slips through the air easily at high speeds.

The Cybertrucks forte, with it's 35" wheels and 2500 lbs. of cargo capacity is getting work done, or traversing difficult terrain easily, not endless miles of Interstate. This should be obvious, but I'm saying it for those who still don't seem to get it. If you need to haul and tow over large distances, and time is of the essence, you will still be better served to use a gas or diesel truck. The only reason the Tesla Semi is so compelling is because the use case includes having fast charging infrastructure at the terminals where it loads and unloads it's cargo.

People naysaying on the Cybertruck don't seem to have a very good grasp on what the Cybertruck excels at. A 500-mile battery would still not make it ideal for long, fast Interstate travel. I'm a huge fan of using the right tool for the job and I've noticed that American motorists are generally not the brightest bulbs in the room as evidenced by their current use of gas pickups for long work commutes, etc. simply because they might want to go hunting once a year. In a rational world, people don't drive a ridiculous tool for the job all year long just for a couple instances when they might need something different.

Last I checked, the average American spends over 25% of their income on transportation. Just crazy. It's due to sub-optimal choices. The auto industry, including insurance, gas and oil, tires and brakes, etc. makes up over 25% of the American economy. This is going to be dramatically less over the next decade or two.

 

[Gigahorse]

Cybertruck isn't for you ... next

I mean if the range is 200 and it drops to 100 when towing, likely not for me or any other truck owner.
If the real world range is closer to 250-280 and towing you can get north of 125 it is doable to get from one super charger to another.
Hope we get some more info after waiting for 4 years for this, and a month post delivery, shouldn't be to long before someone does a full drive review and answers some general questions.

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