Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[Cyberostachu]

Thankd

In this example, I don't care on range for 10- minute drives. What I care is the range for continuous 2+ hours drive. If you just live where only 30 or less minutes are required for 90% of driving, RWD is an excellent decision. For me, 300 + - 20 miles is required where I live to enjoy.
Happy New Year.

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[Gigahorse]

In this example, I don't care on range for 10- minute drives. What I care is the range for continuous 2+ hours drive. If you just live where only 30 or less minutes are required for 90% of driving, RWD is an excellent decision. For me, 300 + - 20 miles is required where I live to enjoy.
Happy New Year.

Added a couple pics to the first thread in *Edits
While the first few looked really bad (under 200 miles of range) there are some coming in now that show that mid 200s is possible and one example of someone who did a drive and got the equivalent of 300 miles, although at a low speed very promising to see some better range numbers coming in, hopefully more in the next few days.

 

[JBee]

It's baffling how my discussion of various things that can impact EPA range, or anything else I've ever said, made you claim I was saying Tesla is infallible. No offense, but that demonstrates a serious disconnect from reality. Yes, I'm a HUGE fan of Tesla, not because they are infalliable (far from it), but because they have shown how much better they are than gas vehicles and even than their EV competitors. It's generally a good sign when a company has a lot of fans, it means people love their products. The fact that bothers you says more about you than those who love their products.

I think you are still butt-hurt from me calling out your false claims that the stainless-steel panels are not structural and load bearing, when that's exactly what has since been confirmed by Tesla's lead engineer of automotive (that they are load bearing, just as I corrected you many times). It's OK to be wrong, but it's not a good look when you continue to pretend that you were right all along.

I'm sorry if I have caused you emotional pain, but you have to pull yourself together and stop claiming that I said Tesla is infallible. Tesla is obviously better than the rest of their competition, and that seems to pain you, for some unknown reason.

Dude there were three other people that complained about the same thing.

At least you noticed my post.

But that didn't stop you going on another rant, that is the exact same thing again.

Again 11 to 9 please.

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On the subject of exoskeleton YOU ARE STILL WRONG.

You just don't have the faculty to understand the nuances of how you are wrong. Neither it seems to comprehend what other people actually write, in comparison to what you think they are "trying to say". Which leads you from one fanboi rant to the next, without even newbies given a chance to even remotely feel welcomed. Fielding complaints to your posts here is boring and tiresome. Yes I do this all the time.

Posts like this:

Based upon how many new Cybertruck Owners Clubers have made new accounts to spout complete nonsense, I can say that many interests find Cybertruck extremely threatening to their financial interests.

Sad to be you.

This is just poor forum behaviour and a superiority complex talking. Borderline trolling newbies

But as always, happy to to take the exo discussion back to the other thread, but I think by now everyone else gets it, except you.

It's mostly just Tesla calling whatever it wants "exoskeleton", including the exact same parts that a MY has. So the MY has an exo too right? The other part you can't differentiate is load bearing or ingress protection. Or where the load paths are, and how only some of the rear quarterpanels are tied into the load structure etc, etc, etc.

Anyway, enough of that here in this thread.

 

[cvalue13]

Yea myself and many others I am sure just need this truck to be able to do 60MPH on the highway so we don't get rear ended, and get 125 miles of range while doing so in order to make it from one charger to another in more rural areas.

that would all come down to just the aero of the trailer

Under those towing conditions, lots of trailers will let you do that not problem

Same was true of my 1980 Chevy, with a 15 gal tank and 8mpg underway ?

 

[Coltpete]

what Ford “proved” is that if you want to drive a BEV truck like an ICE truck - which is to say, too fast, over-loaded (aerodynamically), lazy planning, and and with a gargantuan 36 gallon fuel tank worth of range - then yes, move on.

Bur if you can man up and tow like my grandfather had to through all of the 50s, 60s, 70s, and much of the 80s - which is to say, slow and steady, correctly loaded, careful planning, and with a small fuel tank - then for MANY people an BEV truck will be just fine.



But no, people who should probably be buying a 3/4 ton truck anyway, and who tow heavy and long distances regularly, hate stopping, and hate planning, should def keep looking to 3/4 ton performance and adding the extended fuel tank.

Fortunately for them and Ford/Tesla, that’s actually a relatively tiny portion of the population.

Their BEV truck will come, but not just yet.

"Man up and tow like my grandfather" lol that has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. While you're at it you should also consider "manning up" and towing with two horses like my great great grandfather did. Incredible range and the horses can last 20+ years. It's actually amazing you've conflated the concept of maniless with towing range.

What you're saying then is the CT wasn't really designed for towing conveniently and expeditiously, which is all most people ever care about. That's fine, but just say that then.

I personally see the CT as more of a city utilitarian vehicle that can fit quite a bit in the bed or tow small to medium loads locally when needed. I think that's its niche. It's not really meant for over the road towing on regular occasions. The sooner people realize that the better received it'll be.

 

[JBee]

"Man up and tow like my grandfather" lol that has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. While you're at it you should also consider "manning up" and towing with two horses like my great great grandfather did. Incredible range and the horses can last 20+ years. It's actually amazing you've conflated the concept of maniless with towing range.

What you're saying then is the CT wasn't really designed for towing conveniently and expeditiously, which is all most people ever care about. That's fine, but just say that then.

I personally see the CT as more of a city utilitarian vehicle that can fit quite a bit in the bed or tow small to medium loads locally when needed. I think that's its niche. It's not really meant for over the road towing on regular occasions. The sooner people realize that the better received it'll be.

Sounds like you are saying the same thing, but just a bit annoyed about someone questioning the "manliness" of a truck?

Every tool has its purpose, and the way I see it if you want to tow long range, you either need a aero trailer and CT air scoop, or skip staright to a Semi.

Simply the sensitivity of EVs for long range, doesn't leave enough headroom to tow anything you want.

So the point of "manning up" was simply the point that you can't expect to be efficient, and run off the fumes of a smelly rag, whilst you are towing a tank parachute.

A Cybervan on the otherhand, would negate having a trailer altogether, and allow the EV to be aerodynamic for any load that fits inside it. This is why vans are more popular in Europe for trades as well.

 

[Gigahorse]

Two new range reports added, Happy New Year

 

[cvalue13]

Two new range reports added, Happy New Year

these trips averaging in the ballpark of 48mph, I’d expect to come in around 260 and that seems to be the ballpark

with an EPA blended at 301, I’d expect EPA hwy to be about 260, and EPA hwy is at an average speed of 48mph

throw some temps and operating behaviors in, and could easily swing 20mi either direction



for those of us fine with doing 65mph, should be all as suspected

what’s not yet clear is what one who simply ‘must’ drive 75-80mph will get

waiting for that data

 

[Bkb13]

for those of us fine with doing 65mph, should be all as suspected

what’s not yet clear is what one who simply ‘must’ drive 75-80mph will get

waiting for that data

Lots of posted speed limits in Texas are 75-85 mph. 65mph is impeding traffic on 130 with a posted 85mph speed limit.

 

[Crissa]

You drive 65-70 on an relatively empty highway 5, you're going slower than some box trucks.

The speed limit for three axles or towing is 55.

'Some' being 'those guys who are about to get a very fat ticket'.

You are never, ever, required to speed or even keep up with traffic. Just make sure you move into the right lane and yield when you interact with others.

-Crissa

The speed limit in Texas is irrelevant to the speed limit in New Mexico or California. It's also an upper limit, not a lower bound.

 

[cvalue13]

Lots of posted speed limits in Texas are 75-85 mph. 65mph is impeding traffic on 130 with a posted 85mph speed limit.

we’ve got our first got-to-go-fast-for-safety of 2024!

I don’t think you’re being genuine about this line of thinking, if you’re honest with yourself.

But to tamper the disappointment of our inner Super Dave’s:

Despite the road signage, the Texas transportation code identifies maximum speed as simply what the driver deems “reasonable and prudent.” You will never be pulled over for “impeding traffic” at 65mph in Texas**.

As for safety:

While there are many hwys in Texas with a posted 75mph max, those who live here (yourself included) know that due to traffic patterns it is a rarity to ever breach 70 on these roads in either lane. And one lane or the other will be near or less than 65mph (often far less).

Especially semi’s - which one can tuck behind (at a safe distance) and get even better range.

Conversely, late at night or in eg west Texas, when traffic is so sparse as to allow going 75mph, it’s also so sparse as to not cause any danger by going 65mph.

And in all events, meanwhile, the data - all and always - shows that whatever theoretical/rhetorical danger of going slower than 75mph might be, it’s more than offset by the basic increases in danger of going faster.




**as for 130, it’s only 85mph for 41miles between Austin and San Antonio, where no one should be worried about needing charging infrastructure.

 

[Woodrick]

I mean if the range is 200 and it drops to 100 when towing, likely not for me or any other truck owner.
If the real world range is closer to 250-280 and towing you can get north of 125 it is doable to get from one super charger to another.
Hope we get some more info after waiting for 4 years for this, and a month post delivery, shouldn't be to long before someone does a full drive review and answers some general questions.

You really have seem to have no idea how far apart Superchargers are. It's hard to find gaps of even 50 miles in Florida. And your 100 is impossible and 125 is possible is quite comical at your rationing. You just don't understand EVs.

 

[Woodrick]

Yea myself and many others I am sure just need this truck to be able to do 60MPH on the highway so we don't get rear ended, and get 125 miles of range while doing so in order to make it from one charger to another in more rural areas.

Come on, get real. It's as if you've never driven the Florida Interstates. There are nuerous grey hairs that I'd love if they'd drive at least 55.

 

[RBosque]

*Edit Up to 7 or 9 real world range reports. Looking pretty good at slow speeds (250ish), rough on the highway (sub 200).

*Edit with more people posting numbers looks like the average wh/mile is going down a bit which means the real world range average is going up, likely around 215 miles of range which is a great start.
- Added a couple more data sets from posts and new CT owners.
- Highway driving looks like 180 miles of range roughly city/slow driving however is looking pretty good at 220-300

All these are just small samples so should be taken with a grain of salt, but this is more info than we have gotten on real world range in the last 4+ years so grateful to have it.

Lots of real world range numbers are coming in via videos getting posted now that some non Tesla employees are getting trucks.
Early report of really bad efficiency like 810 wh/mile were chalked up to speeds over 70MPH, bad driving, etc.
New numbers coming in now are no better at lower speeds.

20 mile test drive (ended up being 21)
Average speed of 63 MPH
Mostly highway driving
689 Wh/mi
Giving the AWD Cybertruck a range of 178.5 miles

*Notes*
2 Passengers
2 Carry on size suitcasestonneau
Tonneau cover closed
Minimal HVAC
Nothing being towed/hauled
Battery was warm as this was a stop on long trip and this was supercharger 3+ on the trip

*Edit*
More #s coming in from road trippers and cross country trippers.
Most Wh/mi are in the high 600s to mid 700s or 181 miles of real world range

More #s posted.
Effectively downhill with a total elevation loss of over 400'
117 mile trip
Temperature of 60-65 f
Battery went from 86% to 10% (76%)
Roughly a 700 wh/mi AKA real world range of 179 miles
Required 55min charge to have enough range to do the next leg of 148 miles with a 10% reserve

*Edit
More #s coming in from a full charging video 14-90% by ourcyberlife
The charging numbers look pretty bad, even at a V3 supercharger and are in line with other early reports.
Basically drive 143mins and then have to charge for 50+

Temperature was about ideal at 73 degrees f

*Edit
Another trip showing MUCH better wh/mile numbers. This one posted publicly
@ZachSMickelson
This was an AWD driving a little under 70mph and getting right around 400 wh/mile which is the best we have seen so far and the first time the real world range of this truck looks like it can hit over 300 at 305. Very encouraging.

*Edit
A set of trip numbers from a driver who reportedly was trying to max eco and range, lower speeds, no HVAC other than seat warmer for driver, etc. Got the efficiency way better at 454 Wh/mi which would be about 260 miles of real world range, one of the best we have seen so far.

*Edit
Video comment updated that one of the 1,000+ mile road trips done recently by a new CT owner is going to have a full video posted with multiple charge curves, mileage breakdowns etc. Hopefully getting released in the next couple of days so fingers crossed as this would be a ton of info. *Total trip full numbers coming with a video but said for the trip it was 672 wh/mile which is 183 miles of real world range

*Edit
A few more short trip reports are slowly coming in, looks like in general if the CT is kept under 30MPH or busy city driving conditions the wh/Mile can be as low as the high 300s.
wmorrill3 and others are showing that 300+ is possible under the right conditions which is cause for optimism
Equating to a real world range at those lower speeds of over 300 miles (318) which is much closer to advertised range.

*Edit
The rough average Wh/mile looks to be around 575. With the current reports, which pushes the total range over the 200 mile mark (214) which is a big improvement. Hopefully more and better data will continue to come in.
- All AWD, All Foundation Series, Mix of media reporting YT,X,Reddit,TT
- It currently is winter so cold is having an impact along with minor impact from factory tires.

*Edit
First warm weather real world posted test, maybe?. Mix of city and highway, round trip so elevation was a wash, 77 degrees F average speed of 31MPH, only drivers cooled seat used. This puts the mixed range of this AWD FS CT at about 279 of real world range, granted at a low avg speed but keeping the speed low seems to have added 100ish miles of real world range helping support a lot of theories that the high speed (60MPH+ ) is what is delivering those sub 200 mile ranges

*Edit
Pretty large mileage distance on this one. Trip max speed was 55 MPH due to back roads and mostly city driving. Vast majority was back and forth so minimal elevation impact. Air temps between 55-75F, minimal HVAC, mostly using seats. AWD FS CT
Looks like 281 is realistic real world range with mostly city and lower speed driving.

It's good to see reports of real-world range in all driving conditions--not just slow, around-town driving. Driving at speeds of 70 MPH + is normal for many people in many parts of our country, so no one should dismiss it as "bad driving." Towing at those speeds is also normal and legal in many parts of our country so, again, those figures are also good to know for many people.

 

[Bkb13]

While there are many hwys in Texas with a posted 75mph max, those who live here (yourself included) know that due to traffic patterns it is a rarity to ever breach 70 on these roads in either lane.

I think that you are not being genuine yourself. Traffic is clearly at or above the posted speed limit most of the time outside of rush hour. When was the last time you were in Dallas or Houston. It’s Mad Max in the thunderdome time when you are driving. The lack of a police presence because of politics has people driving as fast as they want…

As to my point, you think driving 20 mph below the posted speed limit is safe?

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