Range for AWD Cybertruck 200-250 miles after many real world tests

[Gigahorse]

It would be much better if you really understood what you were saying.

• First, 6,000 miles is a lot to put on in a month.
• It's a new car. It's a new Tesla. I will GUARANTEE you that the usage will be higher than normal. Too many demos, too many fast starts.
• 80 mph. Yep, that'll cost you. You can expect about 10% drop in range for every 5 mph over about 65. But this is one of those things that Tesla owners will tell you that it really doesn't matter. And 5-10 mph is a worthless response. It the over 55 mph? 70mph Interstates? or 80 mph Interstates
• Whoops did you mean 80 degrees or 80 mph?
• If 8o degrees, then that means 30 degrees. That's about 30% degradation
• Charing at V2 Superchargers is ALWAYS slow when compared to V3. If you pick a charger pair where someone else is charging, you are limited to 50kW. And a lot of V2 pedestals seem to be a little problematic, that why I often switch pedestals.

Will a Tesla hit the EPA numbers? Yes
Will every drive, every driving condition hit the numbers? No
Can I get these numbers in another Tesla? Sure, I can get pretty close.

Am I saying the data and the information is wrong? No

Am I saying that your interpretation of them is wrong? Well, yea.

The Tesla forums come alive every November with people complaining that there range has decreased. The answer is easy, it's the temp. Once temps drop below 70F, the range stops dropping and a 30% reduction isn't uncommon. Most every battery does the same thing.
I already mention that speed kills your range, but that it doesn't matter. Some guys did a spreadsheet and determined that around 75 mph was the optimal cruising speed. That's where the Superchargers come in. You stop at Superchargers a little more often, but you end up getting to your destination faster. So higher usage with faster speed isn't a bad thing.

V3 Superchargers are misunderstood by most Tesla owners. I've watched my cars charge many times. First, it you want 250kW, you'd better be conditioned and your battery at less than 5%. Once you get to 10-15%, you aren't charging at 250kW anymore. Once you are at about 35%, you are down to 150kW.

The numbers speak for themselves, but the conclusion that 208 is the range, is not really a valid jump.

But indeed, if you drive like these people did, then that seems to be their average for those conditions.

But honestly, the numbers don't really bother me. They just tell me that the cost of driving is going to be a little more. I'm still going to be able to go everywhere that I've gone before.
I'm seeing over 190 Supercharger locations in Florida. There are indeed a few gaps, a big one is in the south, where if you installed one, it would sink amongst the gators. But even then there's one on I75 in the middle.

If I had my Cybertruck today, I'd have no question that I could tow my boat from Atlanta to Miami. And I'm pretty sure all the way to Key West.
If I didn't have the boat, It's easy and probably pass by three Superchargers for every one that I'd use.

Yea plenty in FL to get you 90 miles down the road, out west we get them spread out sometimes 120+ miles and some are V2, may not be able to make it from one to another if you have 90 miles of towing range due to real world range looking like 200

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[Diveflyfish]

Would there be any way to verify that during the highway range tests there was only the permanent magnet reluctance motor working with the induction motor free wheeling? Or does one need to bias the drive via the UI screen to ensure that? Could having one motor fully off line, would that help range?

 

[Nabilriaz69]

Would there be any way to verify that during the highway range tests there was only the permanent magnet reluctance motor working with the induction motor free wheeling? Or does one need to bias the drive via the UI screen to ensure that? Could having one motor fully off line, would that help range?

Don’t think one motor will provide the enough torque when required , even on highway with up and down

 

[Diveflyfish]

Don’t think one motor will provide the enough torque when required , even on highway with up and down

Why?

 

[Nabilriaz69]

Why?

Reluctance motor on the front is not same hp like induction motor on the rear side. It is smaller like Model X I understand

 

[Diveflyfish]

Reluctance motor on the front is not same hp like induction motor on the rear side. It is smaller like Model X I understand

What do you understand the power and torque rating is for the reluctance motor? For the dual motor variant, that motor is in the rear. On the CB the reluctance is on the front and dual induction on the rear.

 

[DumpsterFire]

You don't live in the Midwest. I have at least 2 300+ mile trips a month for kids sports. M3 and Mach e's are great for what you are talking about around town. Once into trucks and large SUV's in our neck of the woods one needs range or quick charging curves.

Sounds like the CT might not be the right choice for you then.

 

[Strykerwsu]

Sounds like the CT might not be the right choice for you then.

Probably and that is too bad. Can't wait for the day that they can get the technology figured out.

 

[Woodrick]

Yea plenty in FL to get you 90 miles down the road, out west we get them spread out sometimes 120+ miles and some are V2, may not be able to make it from one to another if you have 90 miles of towing range due to real world range looking like 200

You will never get anywhere if you don't start somewhere.

You are not the first one with this argument and you won't be the last. It's simple range anxiety and has been experienced by just about every EV owner.

I had an 88-mile range Leaf that barely could get anywhere, but yet it got a lot further than 88 miles from home, and that was 8 years ago when there really were few chargers. I then had a Leaf with something like 150 miles, it easily made it to many places.
My Model 3 and Model Y have made it to everywhere we've tried and there's nowhere we haven't tried because of the car. I ALWAYS know that I can drop to a J-1772 if I miss something. And if not a J-1772, then a NEMA 14-50 at a campground and finally a basic 120V outlet, which is available just about everywhere.

Once did I think that I even stopped for a J-1772 for safety. I did have to drop the trailer on one trip, because I foolheartedly skipped a charger. But I was just a few miles away and made it to the Supercharger. (Butt cheeks were indeed tight)

You don't know how much towing range you will have until you try it. Wind resistance is probably a much bigger factor than weight.

I don't have an ICE vehicle. I've traveled from the tip of Florida to Chicago and from the east coast past the Mississippi. Over the years, there may have been a few tight situations, slowing down always fixed it.

How many times do you tow. If it is a few and towing with the Cybertruck is an option, then look into a rental. (I also had that as an option that I never needed)

I will guarantee you that next year will be easier than this year and that for a number of years forward, it will get significantly easier.

But for 95% of most people's driving it doesn't matter, because we charge at home, never worry about the range, don't have to go the the gas station weekly, don't have to worry about oil changes.

It we were going from electric to gas, I expect that you would complain just as loudly, because of all of the out of the way things that you have to do as an EV owner.

I've had a few needs for service over the last couple years, mostly minor. I've never even had to take it to Service, mobile service just some out and fixes it.

 

[Woodrick]

Would there be any way to verify that during the highway range tests there was only the permanent magnet reluctance motor working with the induction motor free wheeling? Or does one need to bias the drive via the UI screen to ensure that? Could having one motor fully off line, would that help range?

99.99% of the Tesla drivers, including the to-be Cybertruck drivers have any idea of what you are talking about.

In other words, that's Tesla's job. They handle that without the user ever needing to know anything about it.

If there was a motor failure, the car will notify you.

 

[Diveflyfish]

99.99% of the Tesla drivers, including the to-be Cybertruck drivers have any idea of what you are talking about.

In other words, that's Tesla's job. They handle that without the user ever needing to know anything about it.

If there was a motor failure, the car will notify you.

Well, learning about what you use or will use is a choice for sure. I have seen on the CB UI on a video you can choose to have all front or all rear etc or balanced motor use. My question is very simple. Do both motors run All the time? Can they be preferentially taken off line on the dual motor variant. Would using one motor vs two increase decrease range?
Does that help?

 

[Woodrick]

Well, learning about what you use or will use is a choice for sure. I have seen on the CB UI on a video you can choose to have all front or all rear etc or balanced motor use. My question is very simple. Do both motors run All the time? Can they be preferentially taken off line on the dual motor variant. Would using one motor vs two increase decrease range?
Does that help?

I believe that is only in one of the off-road modes.
Is off-road mode what you were referring to, if so, my bad.

 

[Diveflyfish]

I believe that is only in one of the off-road modes.
Is off-road mode what you were referring to, if so, my bad.

The question for me is precisely that. Can this front to rear bias be dialed in on normal road conditions? If so would a single motor used at speed of cruise sustained let’s say at 70 allow for a greater range than having both front and back motors going during cruise? Or does the drive train already take off line one motor when in cruise? Thank you for your perspective.

 

[Woodrick]

The question for me is precisely that. Can this front to rear bias be dialed in on normal road conditions? If so would a single motor used at speed of cruise sustained let’s say at 70 allow for a greater range than having both front and back motors going during cruise? Or does the drive train already take off line one motor when in cruise? Thank you for your perspective.

That's easy, yes, Tesla is already doing that for you. I'm serious, they watch this like a hawk. It means a difference in mileage.

There are other things that they do this type blending in with as well, like braking. And while some people can sometime feel when the physical brakes start to engage, it's generally undetectable.

I can't remember which vehicle was the first with the different motors, but there was a lot of discussions and explanations going on about it,

 

[Gigahorse]

The question for me is precisely that. Can this front to rear bias be dialed in on normal road conditions? If so would a single motor used at speed of cruise sustained let’s say at 70 allow for a greater range than having both front and back motors going during cruise? Or does the drive train already take off line one motor when in cruise? Thank you for your perspective.

Unfortunately it looks like pretty much all the improvements that can be made without significant rework have been. The truck simply does not have a big enough battery pack to be a truck.
If it has a 200kwh battery it could tow reasonable distances and get way more than the current 200ish miles of range (without trailer)

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