Getting cold feet. Vin Assigned, pickup anyday. What to do?

[Woodrick]

What? Are you implying the Silverado will go nowhere near 450 miles on a 42-degree night at 70 mph? ?

No.

I'm just wondering if they will carry the 450-mile at $105k with all of its current numbers into full production.
Mary Barra seems to be killing GMs aspirations of EVs. And the ultium platform seems to be in trouble.

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[Woodrick]

They already add up?! They’ve been tested in the real world already.

And with units sitting at a dealer at less than 200/mo December production levels, they must already be considered a failure.

I mean things just aren't adding up.

How can it be considered a big success if 6 months after production, they are making less than 200 units/mo?
How can it be in production if those who are on the waiting list aren't getting them yet?
How can the price be right if they aren't showing it on their website?

Just too many questions.

I truly am happy for every EV to get out there and in production. And as this forum started talking about it, I had to go do my research, because I didn't think it was in production yet. And yes, I found the abysmal production numbers, which some attributed to the existing vehicle being like a pilot.

But to currently be listing "Available starting fall 2023" on a truck for which I just found out that multiple "work" versions ("Fleet and Commercial customers starting spring 2023. Retail availability expected summer 2024) of it are sitting in a dealer lot.


Do "Fleet and Commercial" customers not like it?

It all just doesn't add up, something is missing.

 

[REM]

Everything is under-provisioned on the power network. Even the power generation itself. There is no utility that can take everyone going to max capability of their panel.

Heck, one of my 200A panels has 3 dual(240V) 40A and 4 dual(240A) 30A breakers. And another 20 or so 20A and 15A breakers. Just the 240V circuit total above the panel max at 240A.

There is no need to over-build or just-enough build the network, The max is never used and damn expensive to implement.

You may want to take a look at this thread (2) Pole transformer sizing (or, can you really feed 7 houses with 25 kva?) | Tesla Motors Club
7 houses on a 25kVA transformer and it gets worse as you read the thread.

25 kVA is only 104A @240V. Even if the houses only had 100A panels, that would be 7x the transformer capability, but they probably have 200A panels, 14x the transformer capability!!!

It's the same with municipal water service. If everyone in a city opens their faucets and flushes their toilet, most faucets would be dry, the remainder only trickling water.

Thanks for the breakdown, but I do understand the industry practice. One thing to keep in mind is just because people are configuring circuits that way, doesn't mean it's actually the best way in practice or even theory.

If a circuit is rated for "x" continuous power, but can't actually deliver it, then it's not properly rated. Having said that, campgrounds are notorious for dilapidated infrastructure. Any of them that utterly refuse to accommodate for EV charging at least in some capacity are going to bite the dust eventually. So it's in their best interest to go ahead and get that figured out.

 

[Saygmo]

And with units sitting at a dealer at less than 200/mo December production levels, they must already be considered a failure.

I mean things just aren't adding up.

How can it be considered a big success if 6 months after production, they are making less than 200 units/mo?
How can it be in production if those who are on the waiting list aren't getting them yet?
How can the price be right if they aren't showing it on their website?

Just too many questions.

I truly am happy for every EV to get out there and in production. And as this forum started talking about it, I had to go do my research, because I didn't think it was in production yet. And yes, I found the abysmal production numbers, which some attributed to the existing vehicle being like a pilot.

But to currently be listing "Available starting fall 2023" on a truck for which I just found out that multiple "work" versions ("Fleet and Commercial customers starting spring 2023. Retail availability expected summer 2024) of it are sitting in a dealer lot.


Do "Fleet and Commercial" customers not like it?

It all just doesn't add up, something is missing.

Doesn’t take away from the fact that the specs add up. We know the battery size, it’s been tested by multiple well known outlets, and it actually goes 450 miles.

 

[Woodrick]

Thanks for the breakdown, but I do understand the industry practice. One thing to keep in mind is just because people are configuring circuits that way, doesn't mean it's actually the best way in practice or even theory.

If a circuit is rated for "x" continuous power, but can't actually deliver it, then it's not properly rated. Having said that, campgrounds are notorious for dilapidated infrastructure. Any of them that utterly refuse to accommodate for EV charging at least in some capacity are going to bite the dust eventually. So it's in their best interest to go ahead and get that figured out.

And I'm going to disagree with that.

I think that right now, the very few campgrounds that are complaining is because the EVs pulled in and started charging without any permission. And then want to bitch when asked to pay for it.

I'm pretty sure that there isn't a campground owner that, with the proper financial incentive, is going to deny charging.

(unless their grid is on the verge of collapse, which there are a few)

 

[Woodrick]

Where is it unfair?

Tesla gives the ability to effectively get your money back if you don't like it. It would either through you selling to someone else or Tesla buying the vehicle back with only reasonable mileage cost and damage subtracted.

They only restrict your ability to make money off of your resale.

It's an amazingly simple rider and even if you blatantly ignore it, has minimal penalties for doing so. It's possible that as a scalper, you may even be able to make money while paying the penalty.

 

[Robsanchez]

At this point you will lose your $250 or $1000 dollars and your spot in the order. I don't think it will be a year for you, but it will be years. I am getting it as soon as they give me the green light, because I might not have a chance for awhile after that.

I want to accept delivery soooooo bad! I just afford that price point. Especially with no option to trade in my model 3

 

[dandor]

I want to accept delivery soooooo bad! I just afford that price point. Especially with no option to trade in my model 3

It is probably stupid for me to buy this car, but this is my mid-life crisis car. Most guys my age will buy a sports car, I buy a Cybertruck.

 

[Jabman]

It is probably stupid for me to buy this car, but this is my mid-life crisis car. Most guys my age will buy a sports car, I buy a Cybertruck.

70’s Actor: “What’s a little Cybertruck between friends!”
Costar: “Beasts me.”

 

[HaulingAss]

Doesn’t take away from the fact that the specs add up. We know the battery size, it’s been tested by multiple well known outlets, and it actually goes 450 miles.

Really? At 70 mph?

LOL!

 

[Saygmo]

Really? At 70 mph?

LOL!

Less lol than cybertruck getting 300+ miles. It’s got a better cd than the cybertruck and 90kwh more. Nearly a cybertruck and TWO range extenders. The extra weight doesn’t matter much at 70mph, so I’d say yeah, really. Even if it’s only 1.6x better range with that extra 90kwh, that’s well over 400 miles. I just hate the way it looks, like a Chevy avalanche. Otherwise I’d go buy one of those Silverado ev work trucks currently for sale at $80k.

 

[cgladue]

@Awadva did you take delivery yet ? which day if so ?

 

[ÆCIII]

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