JerryRigEverything: How far can the CYBERTRUCK tow 11,000lbs in Freezing Weather?

[BannedByTMC]

If you are towing from your home and only going 40 miles you could start at 100%
Unfortunately the cybertruck charging curve is pretty rough and charging from 80-100% at a supercharger is super slow.

Good point, didn't consider that.

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[pricedm]

In the manner of a locomotive, Dodge Ramcharger burns gasoline to generate electricity. For frequent, long-distance, non-aero optimized tow loads, this seems like a good short-term solution.

Knowing the Tesla Semi is a capable BEV solution, I think, in time, the techology will also come to personal trucks with battery size in the 120 -150 kWh range.

 

[Gigahorse]

Good point, didn't consider that.

Yea, if the range or charging curve was better would be much more doable for towing

 

[scottyah]

Considering the cold temperatures and maximum load, I'm not that disappointed. The temperature on screen was slightly above freezing at 34° Fahrenheit, but the battery was likely colder from sitting outside all night many hours in the colder temps.

I would be curious to know if the Rivian and F150L had been sitting outside with those same cold temps before their tests.

I also wonder how the Cybertruck would do on the same cold day, towing once more after the first trip and recharge, starting with the battery warmed up. Of course, that's not always realistic but I would be curious to see what difference that would make.

I think this was a decent test but I look at it as one of the worst case scenarios too, with maximum load and cold temperatures. I think towing results can likely go up a little from these.

- ÆCIII

As a non-EV owner, I'd like to know what kind of range differences are you expecting from these scenarios? In the 3-5 mile range or like 20 miles?

 

[Gurule92]

Lightning had street tires and warmer temps, so ofc it went further. He mentions that he was plugged in but not charging this morning which kinda sounds like not preconditioned to me. Why did you say it wasnt freezing when it's literally in the title. You like found the warmest pic you could which really leans me toward you trying to make the range look bad.

He literally did a 0-60 run, that probably sapped like 30 miles of range alone lol. It doesnt change the comparison between vehicles since they all did it but overall the range would be more.

As far as the third place thing goes. The lightning is basically not in the running because the test was so different.

The rivian beating us is less then ideal but honestly close enough that it couldve been driving condition differences such as snow in the road or anything. To be that close with a smaller battery, and bigger tires is pretty sweet imo. One of the CT's main reasons for getting the range it does is the aero. Towing pretty much negates that boon.

In the 70mph range test from out of spec the rivian beat the CT by about the same amount so it makes sense

 

[Gigahorse]

As a non-EV owner, I'd like to know what kind of range differences are you expecting from these scenarios? In the 3-5 mile range or like 20 miles?

There are a ton of variables, but there have now been 6 tow tests done across a variety of temperature ranges and loads people are getting well under 100 miles of range, which is a real bummer for those of us having planned on doing some towing with the cybertruck.

 

[Gigahorse]

The rivian beating us is less then ideal but honestly close enough that it couldve been driving condition differences such as snow in the road or anything.

I think if 1 year ago someone said that the max range released cybertruck would have anywhere close to the towing range of a rivian, more less get BEAT by the rivian, that person would have been called crazy by everyone in this forum and most of the EV truck market.

The tests so far have not been in a lab, but is is plain to see that the CT is in about the same as the Rivian and Ford, which sucks as a LOT of us expected the CT to be MILES ahead.

 

[Gurule92]

I think if 1 year ago someone said that the max range released cybertruck would have anywhere close to the towing range of a rivian, more less get BEAT by the rivian, that person would have been called crazy by everyone in this forum and most of the EV truck market.

The tests so far have not been in a lab, but is is plain to see that the CT is in about the same as the Rivian and Ford, which sucks as a LOT of us expected the CT to be MILES ahead.

1 year ago we knew a very different Cybertruck. Have to come to grips with the present

 

[scottyah]

You didn't need today's hindsight to know that "500 miles" was never real world miles. That information was known well in advance of 2019. It was not difficult to know that if you got "500 miles", you'd probably end up with 300 real world miles in winter. And less than that towing. You'd need a 400kWh pack to get the kind of numbers you seem to have been expecting.

> information was known well in advance of 2019
Tesla sure wasn't advertising it, and the amount of hardcore Tesla fanboys really hyping up how game changing 500 miles + will be really set expectations. I guess some people quietly knew they wouldn't achieve it but it was very much not apparent.

Most trucks do not lose even close to a third of their range when towing these small trailers, it's weird to me that people are coming out of the woodwork pretending like normal truck owners should have known that a truck advertised to tow 14,000lbs and go 500+ miles can't even make 100 miles towing something half that weight.

 

[cvalue13]

I mean, in 37° weather, these results all seem roughly as expected ?

 

[cvalue13]

it's weird to me that people are coming out of the woodwork pretending like normal truck owners should have known that a truck advertised to tow 14,000lbs and go 500+ miles can't even make 100 miles towing something half that weight.

a truck with a gas tank permitting of 500mi range in EPA combined conditions, in same conditions as these “tests”, would have essentially identical** reduction in range (as a %) as these trucks

so i disagree to this extent: “normal truck owners, who pay attention to and understand towing range, should absolutely expect these results”





**There could be some variation, but no more than there is variation between ICE trucks themselves

 

[BannedByTMC]

Most trucks do not lose even close to a third of their range when towing these small trailers, it's weird to me that people are coming out of the woodwork pretending like normal truck owners should have known that a truck advertised to tow 14,000lbs and go 500+ miles can't even make 100 miles towing something half that weight.

This test was at almost 11K lbs with a very un-aerodynamic load, I wouldn't call that "small". Also it's not the 500 mile or even 470 mile version so not a good comparison. Plus Tesla never said you'd get 500 miles while towing.

 

[BannedByTMC]

a truck with a gas tank permitting of 500mi range in EPA combined conditions, in same conditions, would have essentially identical reduction in range (as a %) as these trucks

I don't think so, less aerodynamic vehicles take less of an efficiency penalty when towing a load. A normal truck will lose some range but a smaller percentage. Also since ICE are such inefficient power plants they have plenty of waste heat to push into the cabin and don't need to heat a battery pack.

 

[Alan]

different temps another bunch of bs. If your trying anything like that in an ev you warm up the battery ahead of time while plugged into charging or you can lose of to 20% of your charge just heating the battery.

 

[Gigahorse]

a truck with a gas tank permitting of 500mi range in EPA combined conditions, in same conditions as these “tests”, would have essentially identical** reduction in range (as a %) as these trucks

Going to disagree with you on that, ICE truck will not lose that large of a % of total range in those conditions.

Not going to copy/paste 20 examples but if you look around you will see that ICE trucks will loose efficiency and range when towing, but will not loose 70%+ of their EPA range.

Cybertruck currently is able to get about 28% of it's EPA range when towing a variety of different trailers.

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