NO CHAdeMO or CCS

[Outdoors]

Yes. I get that @Crissa.

It fits. Has nothing to do with architecture. It will be enabled.

Do you think the J1772 is enabled for 800 volt architecture?

Previous poster didn't know the difference between a Chademo adapter and a CCS adapter.

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[Crissa]

Pre-2020 Teslas have different software and hardware for communication to the charger. Not all post 2020 Teslas are compatible. And pre-2020 Teslas aren't compatible with all current Superchargers.

-Crissa

 

[Outdoors]

Pre-2020 Teslas have different software and hardware for communication to the charger. Not all post 2020 Teslas are compatible. And pre-2020 Teslas aren't compatible with all current Superchargers.

-Crissa

Sure. We all know that. Chademo works on most other Tesla's. They do have to enable it however. It took about a month on the 3.

Did you watch the video or just chime in?

Many here aren't used to rollout of features on new launch. As they don't own Tesla's. They seem to think that that is forever and will never have anything going forward because that's the way the car was sent out.

 

[Outdoors]

And pre-2020 Teslas aren't compatible with all current Superchargers.

-Crissa

Outside of Tesla roadster and early S that had to pay for it to be enabled.

Stop spreading misinformation. Absolutely wrong. Seriously where do you find this stuff. Go buy a old Tesla. Circa 2012. Work fine. I know plenty that own them.

 

[agordon117]

Many here aren't used to rollout of features. As they don't own Tesla's. They seem to think that that is forever and will never have anything going forward because that's the way the car was sent out.

Yes but on the flip side, there is no list of upcoming features, promised dates when they will be implemented, or even a loose estimate of when updates will happen. We have zero clue when any software change will be implemented, and it could take quite a long time for any individual feature to be added. Parking chimes, autopilot, any of the vision based features, now chademo communication, steam games... there's a long list of things missing (and I'm not able to list all of the things that we are waiting for because I just don't know yet).

There will never be any indication when, or even if, a feature will be added later. We can make all of the assumptions that we want, but if you aren't happy with the truck as is for an indefinite amount of time, you may not want to take delivery of such an early unit.

 

[Outdoors]

I had seen that many of the converters for Chademo CCS to NACS / Tesla charging ports also couldn’t work with the CT because they hit the fender and cannot reach the charge port as a result. I have seen extension cables that could have in theory fixed that but then the cable capacity was only rated for home charging power levels so no dice.

If you have links to adapters that are proven to work in the wild once the functionality is fixed with an OTA update it may be helpful to post links to the ones that are known to work.

...They don't work because Cybertruck is an 800v vehicle and needs an adapter ready for that.


That's not a CCS adapter. It's a CHAdeMO adapter for pre-2020 Teslas.

-Crissa

No actually @Crissa that is for anyone that want's to use a CHAdemO charger. Has nothing to do with age of Tesla. You don't own one. Trying to be nice, so why would you know? I need it for my 2024 Y when I was up in Jasper last weekend. No Tesla Chargers. Had to use it. Do you get it now?

@XCeilidhX You made a mistake and used the words CHAdemo. They fit fine.

IT IS THE CCS ADAPTER FROM TESLA THAT DOESN'T FIT!

 

[Outdoors]

Yes but on the flip side, there is no list of upcoming features, promised dates when they will be implemented, or even a loose estimate of when updates will happen. We have zero clue when any software change will be implemented, and it could take quite a long time for any individual feature to be added. Parking chimes, autopilot, any of the vision based features, now chademo communication, steam games... there's a long list of things missing (and I'm not able to list all of the things that we are waiting for because I just don't know yet).

There will never be any indication when, or even if, a feature will be added later. We can make all of the assumptions that we want, but if you aren't happy with the truck as is for an indefinite amount of time, you may not want to take delivery of such an early unit.

Really don't take delivery? Again. Go buy an early Tesla. Wait. You haven't. Moved to ignore. Yep Tesla is going to screw all the people that bought that adapter. All the people in Canada as well. It sure shows me this crowd doesn't know anything about charging "architecture". It will be done in a couple months. Move on.

 

[XCeilidhX]

Please explain how this doesn't fit. This is a Tesla brand Chademo adapter. Even though the video above does. Please use pictures. Words aren't helping.

After market adapter's are usually for CCS. I have never seen an aftermarket Chademo adapter for a Tesla.

I think from the video you can infer that it does connect, we are waiting for functionality to be enabled.

Aftermarket crap. Start a new thread for that.

Please explain how this doesn't fit. This is a Tesla brand Chademo adapter. Even though the video above does. Please use pictures. Words aren't helping.

After market adapter's are usually for CCS. I have never seen an aftermarket Chademo adapter for a Tesla.

I think from the video you can infer that it does connect, we are waiting for functionality to be enabled.

Aftermarket crap. Start a new thread for that.

Ok just got home from work.

First off... ummm...not sure how to ask this but...

You seem to keep misunderstanding my point, putting words in my mouth, and then (as I read and interpret your posts) taking an argumentative tone regarding the words I didn't type that you typed and that makes no sense to me. I thought we were all here to help one another with transitioning to this new vehicle. I guess I missed a memo or something.

If you go back to my very first post in this thread it was supposed to be about people posting things that work if they find any way of making something happen with charging at non-NACS higher powered charging stations relative to using adapters. At the risk of sounding like an EV Geezer, in the early days of the Model S with no charging network many people were buying all sorts of adapters or making them at home to charge at RV parks and random outdoor outlets and such because there were no chargers anywhere basically. So on the TMC forums we shared a lot of "how to" tips so we could all keep our electrons topped off. Some of the setups were awkward but worked and were safe and allowed for much faster charging thatn without them, sometimes avoiding hours of "chargesitting."

With that spirit in mind, I think you got hung up on Chademo vs CCS adapters when it was besides the point actually. Any aftermarket single unit bulky adapter made for the rest of the Tesla EV product line appears to have trouble fitting the charge port on the CT due to the size of the fender flare. For absolute clarification, the problem I was talking about this whole time is demonstrated at about 5:57 in this YouTube video:



I'm not talking about anything else here. I am talking about the physical connection capacity of these types of adapters in general for "supercharging" at non-Tesla/NACS higher power chargers.

To be even more clear, in this photo:

It is the length of the circled part being too short to reach over the CT wheel fender that makes the part pointed at with the arrow hit the bumper and then the circled "male" part cannot reach the CT charging port "female" socket. Let's just say the CT needs charging adapters that are more well endowed to get the charging job done for even more clarity. And in this scenario, the fender flare is the cockblocker.

Next, I was saying let's assume Tesla does an OTA update and if you can plug it in somehow, it works. If someone makes a functional adapter that is more well endowed and reaches the charging port, and finds that it works after an OTA update, it would be nice to have a place to post these things. That is one possible solution if some company upgrades these adapters.

Still assuming that there is an OTA update that allows this to work if you can plug it in, there is a cruder way that could work if the right product existed, assuming the companies DON'T change the adapters to be more well-endowed. You could take the adapter pictured above in the green circle and arrow , and attach a NACS female to NACS male extension cord and then it wouldn't hit the fender and you could make it plug in, using something akin to these:

Or:

https://www.rexingusa.com/product/r...aHWoW02EXzBdEsT0VKUdHFNOfZNAptxhoCqPwQAvD_BwE

Physically these would fit on the Chademo or CCS (remember: for the purposes of this point I am making, it matters not which one we are talking about, we are talking about any single unit adapter that doesn't quite reach that could hypothetically allow for faster charging in the wild where there are not currently Tesla superchargers) on the post conversion side and then the fender flare cockblocking problem is solved. BUT, right now, none of the available nacs to nacs extension cords have a high enough power capacity rating to allow for this to actually work because they are rated only up to L2 home charging 240v at 48 amps at best... which defeats the purpose of the adapter.

But in the future, if someone makes a more robust nacs to nacs cord, this awkward adapter amalgam could theoretically work. So if people find in the future that it does work because a new product comes along, I was thinking it would be good to post how it was done and what was used. That's it. That was my point.

Now your photo of the OG Chademo to NACS Tesla branded adapter (to be clear let's show it again):

is what I said I couldn't remember the shape of so I would have to check to see if it was related to the issue I was addressing or would not be affected. So assuming again there is an OTA update that fixes things on the vehicle end, there is no reason this wouldn't work. The Tesla brand adapter, unlike the aftermarket adapters, is endowed enough to circumvent the pesky cockblocking fender flare. This Tesla brand adapter is essentially an elegant version of what I was mentally trying to cobble together as a frankencable to make higher piowered non-NACS charging work by making the cable reach over the fender flare to the charging port somehow. So to answer your question, I wouldn't tell you that it wouldn't work because I think it would work. Problem is that for most people they are hard to come by. I haven't seen them sold in a long time, andd they were expensive when they were being sold.

As for the "Aftermarket crap", you are entitled to your opinion. Some of the rest of us might be ok with aftermarket products if they work, thus my point of listing any such products if they find something that gets the job done.

That's it. A lot of verbage and illustration for a relatively simple concept but this hopefully will make it clear what I was getting at. It was this and nothing more. Not sure I would know how to be any clearer. Just trying to suggest we help one anohter out here.

Peace

 

[Crissa]

Outside of Tesla roadster and early S that had to pay for it to be enabled.

CCS-only Superchargers aren't hardware compatible with first series Model 3, without the update.

The CHAdeMO adapter is not said to be compatible for Model 3 or Y. https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/chademo-adapter-manual-in-english.pdf

That it works is because of old compatibility modes at all; it isn't supported.

-Crissa

 

[Outdoors]

CCS-only Superchargers aren't hardware compatible with first series Model 3, without the update.

-Crissa

Yeah we all know that. Why are you explaining that? I was in BC this last weekend with my Y at a full Flo charger. Used my Chademo adapter. Is this news to people?

My S and 3 have had the update. Y already has it enabled.

 

[Crissa]

Yeah we all know that. Why are you explaining that?

No actually ... You don't own one. Trying to be nice, so why would you know?

Maybe because I actually read the forums, have friends with Teslas, and have been avidly interested in EVs since the 90s?

I know the CHAdeMO adapter works with some Model 3 and Y. That's not the same as supported. It's not a supported use, no Model 3 or Y are sold with that compatibility guaranteed. No adapters are sold with that compatibility advertised.

-Crissa

 

[Outdoors]

Go buy a Tesla actually drive it. Get off your forums

Ok just got home from work.

First off... ummm...not sure how to ask this but...

You seem to keep misunderstanding my point, putting words in my mouth, and then (as I read and interpret your posts) taking an argumentative tone regarding the words I didn't type that you typed and that makes no sense to me. I thought we were all here to help one another with transitioning to this new vehicle. I guess I missed a memo or something.

If you go back to my very first post in this thread it was supposed to be about people posting things that work if they find any way of making something happen with charging at non-NACS higher powered charging stations relative to using adapters. At the risk of sounding like an EV Geezer, in the early days of the Model S with no charging network many people were buying all sorts of adapters or making them at home to charge at RV parks and random outdoor outlets and such because there were no chargers anywhere basically. So on the TMC forums we shared a lot of "how to" tips so we could all keep our electrons topped off. Some of the setups were awkward but worked and were safe and allowed for much faster charging thatn without them, sometimes avoiding hours of "chargesitting."

With that spirit in mind, I think you got hung up on Chademo vs CCS adapters when it was besides the point actually. Any aftermarket single unit bulky adapter made for the rest of the Tesla EV product line appears to have trouble fitting the charge port on the CT due to the size of the fender flare. For absolute clarification, the problem I was talking about this whole time is demonstrated at about 5:57 in this YouTube video:



I'm not talking about anything else here. I am talking about the physical connection capacity of these types of adapters in general for "supercharging" at non-Tesla/NACS higher power chargers.

To be even more clear, in this photo:

It is the length of the circled part being too short to reach over the CT wheel fender that makes the part pointed at with the arrow hit the bumper and then the circled "male" part cannot reach the CT charging port "female" socket. Let's just say the CT needs charging adapters that are more well endowed to get the charging job done for even more clarity. And in this scenario, the fender flare is the cockblocker.

Next, I was saying let's assume Tesla does an OTA update and if you can plug it in somehow, it works. If someone makes a functional adapter that is more well endowed and reaches the charging port, and finds that it works after an OTA update, it would be nice to have a place to post these things. That is one possible solution if some company upgrades these adapters.

Still assuming that there is an OTA update that allows this to work if you can plug it in, there is a cruder way that could work if the right product existed, assuming the companies DON'T change the adapters to be more well-endowed. You could take the adapter pictured above in the green circle and arrow , and attach a NACS female to NACS male extension cord and then it wouldn't hit the fender and you could make it plug in, using something akin to these:

Or:

https://www.rexingusa.com/product/r...aHWoW02EXzBdEsT0VKUdHFNOfZNAptxhoCqPwQAvD_BwE

Physically these would fit on the Chademo or CCS (remember: for the purposes of this point I am making, it matters not which one we are talking about, we are talking about any single unit adapter that doesn't quite reach that could hypothetically allow for faster charging in the wild where there are not currently Tesla superchargers) on the post conversion side and then the fender flare cockblocking problem is solved. BUT, right now, none of the available nacs to nacs extension cords have a high enough power capacity rating to allow for this to actually work because they are rated only up to L2 home charging 240v at 48 amps at best... which defeats the purpose of the adapter.

But in the future, if someone makes a more robust nacs to nacs cord, this awkward adapter amalgam could theoretically work. So if people find in the future that it does work because a new product comes along, I was thinking it would be good to post how it was done and what was used. That's it. That was my point.

Now your photo of the OG Chademo to NACS Tesla branded adapter (to be clear let's show it again):

is what I said I couldn't remember the shape of so I would have to check to see if it was related to the issue I was addressing or would not be affected. So assuming again there is an OTA update that fixes things on the vehicle end, there is no reason this wouldn't work. The Tesla brand adapter, unlike the aftermarket adapters, is endowed enough to circumvent the pesky cockblocking fender flare. This Tesla brand adapter is essentially an elegant version of what I was mentally trying to cobble together as a frankencable to make higher piowered non-NACS charging work by making the cable reach over the fender flare to the charging port somehow. So to answer your question, I wouldn't tell you that it wouldn't work because I think it would work. Problem is that for most people they are hard to come by. I haven't seen them sold in a long time, andd they were expensive when they were being sold.

As for the "Aftermarket crap", you are entitled to your opinion. Some of the rest of us might be ok with aftermarket products if they work, thus my point of listing any such products if they find something that gets the job done.

That's it. A lot of verbage and illustration for a relatively simple concept but this hopefully will make it clear what I was getting at. It was this and nothing more. Not sure I would know how to be any clearer. Just trying to suggest we help one anohter out here.

Peace

Sorry TLDR. Like none of it when you showed the CCS adapter. Again we all know that dont fit.

The CHademo Adapter from Tesla fits, yet is not enabled. My friend in Austin just tried it and got the same result. As in the video posted.

You said the Chademo doesn't fit. The video you posted is the CCS adapter at 5:57. AGAIN FOR THE LAST TIME. WE ALL KNOW THAT DOESNT FIT.

For all of you searching the threads of every forum. Look at the cars I own. I can charge CCS as on them I have had the update or I can charge CHademo.

Seriously go buy a car. Stop searching, start experiencing.

 

[XCeilidhX]

Please explain how this doesn't fit. This is a Tesla brand Chademo adapter. Even though the video above does. Please use pictures. Words aren't helping.

After market adapter's are usually for CCS. I have never seen an aftermarket Chademo adapter for a Tesla.

I think from the video you can infer that it does connect, we are waiting for functionality to be enabled.

Aftermarket crap. Start a new thread for that.

Funny

Go buy a Tesla actually drive it. Get off your forums



Sorry TLDR. Like none of it when you showed the CCS adapter. Again we all know that dont fit.

The CHademo Adapter from Tesla fits, yet is not enabled. My friend in Austin just tried it and got the same result. As in the video posted.

You said the Chademo doesn't fit. The video you posted is the CCS adapter at 5:57. AGAIN FOR THE LAST TIME. WE ALL KNOW THAT DOESNT FIT.

For all of you searching the threads of every forum. Look at the cars I own. I can charge CCS as on them I have had the update or I can charge CHademo.

Seriously go buy a car. Stop searching, start experiencing.

You clearly did not read my entire post and seem rather obsessed with Chademo vs ccs when i stated explicitly it didn’t matter for what i was discussing. I’m done teying to explain it to you.

as an aside, I was one of the first 1000 reservation holders for the model s 5 years before it was released. P912 to be precise. My car is from Jan 2013 and has 126k miles on it and we also have a model 3. I think you really need to work on not making assumptions because it seems to get you in trouble.

Cheers

 

[Outdoors]

Maybe because I actually read the forums, have friends with Teslas, and have been avidly interested in EVs since the 90s?

I know the CHAdeMO adapter works with some Model 3 and Y. That's not the same as supported. It's not a supported use, no Model 3 or Y are sold with that compatibility guaranteed. No adapters are sold with that compatibility advertised.

-Crissa

I think you are thinking of the CCS adapter. Must show in the info screen. CCS enabled. That has nothing to do with CHademo. Each model takes about a six months to a year to get enabled. This will be Tesla number 5 for me.

Let me rephrase. Get an EV an then maybe you can experience it. This year will be a half a million miles for me.

 

[Outdoors]

I had seen that many of the converters for Chademo CCS to NACS / Tesla charging ports also couldn’t work with the CT because they hit the fender and cannot reach the charge port as a result. I have seen extension cables that could have in theory fixed that but then the cable capacity was only rated for home charging power levels so no dice.

If you have links to adapters that are proven to work in the wild once the functionality is fixed with an OTA update it may be helpful to post links to the ones that are known to work.

Your first post. Thats what we are talking about. It is wrong. Show me the many Chademo Adapters that don't fit on the fender. Your Kim video is the CCS adapter.

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