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Thing is, for living in any European country rather than just visiting, there are a lot of narrow roads in old cities, not much in the way of destination chargers near apartments/condos, limited parking, etc. In theory they're promoting EVs, in practice it's not so easy, and owning and operating any large vehicle (ICE or EV) would have some challenges.

Been there, seen the roads. (some of the Swiss and northern Italian roads, outside of cities, are much better; even bridges spanning valleys, tunnels reducing the amount of mountain to climb over, etc; very impressive) But I don't think I'd want to drive anything bigger than (or much smaller than) a small SUV in say London or Cologne, let alone some of the smaller historical tourist towns (the ones that even allow non-emergency motor vehicles in the whole town).
People keep saying that, but there are plenty of much larger commercial vehicles all over Europe. Which have to conduct daily business on most of the same infrastructure / roads.

Ford Transit is one of the most popular commercial vehicles in UK/EU, is as wide as CT, about the same length (or longer for some variants).
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People keep saying that, but there are plenty of much larger commercial vehicles all over Europe. Which have to conduct daily business on most of the same infrastructure / roads.

Ford Transit is one of the most popular commercial vehicles in UK/EU, is as wide as CT, about the same length (or longer for some variants).
The driving is doable if more difficult, but one can get used to that; and if FSD is up for the differences in markings and signage, that would help, since it seems to do well enough here on narrow streets, mostly. Parking or charging at a residence is likely more of a problem (recently heard from someone there). More row houses there with street parking (1 vehicle per household, effectively) or condos or apartments, less individual family houses, less driveways with an outlet nearby, etc. If they want to promote EVs, they need to at least put in level 2 chargers at apartment/condo complexes more, and near larger stores or shopping centers, too.
 

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Honestly I think the main issue will remain the genuinely (and mostly) small roads and parking spots and all, in the European countryside and all for sure, but cities, forget it.
 

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Honestly I think the main issue will remain the genuinely (and mostly) small roads and parking spots and all, in the European countryside and all for sure, but cities, forget it.
As another poster pointed out, commercial vehicles at least as wide can (with perhaps rare exception) travel roads meant to be traveled by typical cars. (you might very rarely encounter a bridge with a lower weight limit than the Cybertruck's roughly 7,000 pounds/3,175 kg)

The Cybertruck (and anything else with four wheel steering) does have a maneuvering advantage relative to its size, which would sometimes help in tight spaces.
 

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if Tesla come out with midsize Cybertruck will do wonders for both domestic & international market-all these legalize or not in other countries would eliminate.
I would think Tesla could come up with something like this pretty quick. That is, build a pickup on an existing Model Y chassis.
I believe re-engineering and building a brand new from the ground-up midsize Cybertruck, while really cool, would take a much larger investment in time and money.

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Tesla has to do something to sell CT’s and if that means push it to Norway.

Regretfully, 3/10 Peeps in Norway are thinking of selling Tesla all together. Germany to follow. Bummer as Tesla is a good brand.


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Even more so, a US-registered Cybertruck will be allowed to drive around Europe without any modifications. It may be a bit challenging finding a company to insure it there though.
Where do you get it from? The US did not sign the Vienna Convention and I did not see anything in the wikipedia page mentioning that a US-registered Cybertruck would be legal there.

Thing is, for living in any European country rather than just visiting, there are a lot of narrow roads in old cities,
I can second that, but I don't think that's a huge issue. I mean it would be probably an issue in the Greek or Italian mountain villages, but other than that, the roads are fine. I lived in Switzerland for 11 years and I think the roads are just fine in most of the cases. I had issues with phantom breaking on my Model S multiple times, though, because the lanes are narrower in Switzerland and I guess the car mistook a normal oncoming traffic to a potential accident.

not much in the way of destination chargers near apartments/condos
I lived with a Model S for almost a year (before I moved to the US). The closest Supercharger was ~30 minutes drive away. It was OK. Nowadays there are way more chargers in Switzerland. Btw Switzerland was the only country in 2016-2018 that had so many Teslas that the Superchargers were close to full and sometimes a little wait was necessary. In any other European countries they were practically entry. Not sure how it is now.

limited parking
I remember having a had a hard time parking my Model S in a mall in Switzerland, I was barely able to fit into the parking space. It would be a hell with a CT (Sihlcity). Also, I've seen a Dodge Charger needing to rent two parking spaces in an apartment complex due to its size in Chur. So yeah, parking may be quite a big issue there.
 

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Where do you get it from? The US did not sign the Vienna Convention and I did not see anything in the wikipedia page mentioning that a US-registered Cybertruck would be legal there.
Geneva convention still applies, and has a similar provision for cross-border vehicle operation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention_on_Road_Traffic#Cross-border_vehicles

The specific part that is of interest with the CT is this :

The vehicle must meet all technical requirements to be legal for road use in the country of registration. Any conflicting technical requirements (e.g., right-hand-drive or left-hand-drive) in the signatory country where the vehicle is being driven do not apply.
 

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There are so many countries in the Vienna Convention, you can choose any contry as a registration, I imagine some of the not so rich countries have less rules to comply to, e.g. if you remember Yianninize's CT is registered in Albania:

 


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There are so many countries in the Vienna Convention, you can choose any contry as a registration, I imagine some of the not so rich countries have less rules to comply to, e.g. if you remember Yianninize's CT is registered in Albania:
That's not a viable loophole, because if you're resident in the country Y but the vehicle is registered in a country X, you will not be allowed to operate the vehicle past a grace period once you establish residency in the country Y. I believe some of these individuals never actually switched their residency (UK), and just registered the CT in Albania, but that would be out of scope for the Vienna/Geneva conventions and they would be in violation of the UK (or another country's) law even if that doesn't immediately surface during a traffic stop.
 

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That's not a viable loophole, because if you're resident in the country Y but the vehicle is registered in a country X, you will not be allowed to operate the vehicle past a grace period once you establish residency in the country Y. I believe some of these individuals never actually switched their residency (UK), and just registered the CT in Albania, but that would be out of scope for the Vienna/Geneva conventions and they would be in violation of the UK (or another country's) law even if that doesn't immediately surface during a traffic stop.
I believe that's ok temporarily. In the videos he is mentioning to work on making the CT approved in the UK.
 

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I would think Tesla could come up with something like this pretty quick. That is, build a pickup on an existing Model Y chassis.

I believe re-engineering and building a brand new from the ground-up midsize Cybertruck, while really cool, would take a much larger investment in time and money.

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Just my opinion, but the first manufacturer that comes up with an inexpensive compact or mid-sized electric pickup is going to have a hit on their hands. Surprised that no one has tried it yet.

Tesla and Rivian make full-sized EV pickups, but they could go smaller. Tesla could offer a Model Y with a bed, as above. Or maybe Rivian could offer an R2 with a bed. But no sign that either of these things is happening.

So probably legacy manufacturers will make the first move. Ford, GM, Honda, Toyota and Hyundai all know how to make compact/mid-sized EV SUVs -- and they also know how to make compact/mid-sized ICE pickups. I would bet that we see an EV Ranger, Maverick, Colorado/Canyon, Tacoma, Ridgeline, or Santa Cruz in the next few years.

I think the folks who buy fullsized pickups (F-150, Silverado, Ram) are a different demographic from the people who buy smaller pickups (Tacoma, Maverick, Santa Cruz). There are fewer customers in the latter category, but they are a lot more open to EVs.
 
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I think the folks who drive an F-150, Silverado, or Ram are a different demographic from the people who drive a Tacoma, Maverick, or Santa Cruz. There are fewer people in the latter category, but they are a lot more open to EVs.
The challenge people are forgetting about is the "body on a frame" vs unibody. Tacoma has a frame. If you want to see what happens when you don't have a frame (and in the absence of a fundamentally new approach like CT), look at Honda Ridgeline or perhaps Chevy Avalanche.
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