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After driving the speed limit across a couple stretches in eastern Montana I would say it is needed. Some stretches between superchargers are not achievable with a small trailer in winter.
I see it differently. What's really needed in Eastern Montana is a higher density of Superchargers. But, given the very low level of demand (beyond I-90), it's not a priority for Tesla. The only route through Eastern Montana that has ANY Supercharger coverage after I-90 dips south into Wyoming is I-94 which does have some gaps of around 150 miles (which would require some serious compromises pulling a trailer in the winter). I don't know if there are 3rd party DCFCers filling in the gaps, but I really doubt it considering how remote and lonely the route is. And I'm of the mindset that a Tesla driver should only have to use DCFCers that actually appear on the center screen. No adapters, no running multiple apps just to locate power.

Tesla did not even attempt to cover any of the more northerly routes (south of Canada and north of I-94). That's because Tesla is not trying to be everything to everyone, they are focused on being everything to 95% of the people (for now). Because they can more efficiently meet their goals by encouraging EV adoption amongst the 95% of people who still drive with gasoline and never take the uncovered or lightly covered routes through Eastern Montana.

Those remote locations are very expensive to cover for multiple reasons:

Distance to contruction companies to install the Superchargers
Distance to service techs to keep the Superchargers functional on an ongoing basis
Distance to high tension lines with enough power available
Very low demand (new stations in many of those areas would go all day sometimes without any useage).

In time, as EV adoption passes the 50-75% mark, it will make sense to start covering those lonely roads through the grain fields and grazing lands. In 2010 I drove the most northerly route (US 2, which Tesla hasn't even attempted to service yet) during a sunny but frigid day in January. I was towing a horse trailer with an F-150, and I would go over an hour or more without seeing a single oncoming vehicle. It was always a pickup truck, most often an F-150, and the lone driver would almost always give me a friendly wave as we crossed paths in the middle of the open fields.

But my main point is that, for that use case, gas or diesel still makes more sense than spending millions of dollars installing and maintaining chargers that would barely get used. I-94 is covered to a minimal degree, but only if you are not towing in the middle of winter. That stretch between Billings and Miles City is 140 miles (and that assumes you don't do any exploring in-between). Because it takes so long to charge to 100%, it's really only convenient if you happen to be staying in Miles City or Billings the night before so you can leave with 100% charge (and under adverse wind conditions you might even need to slow down below 75 mph). The fact that the more northerly routes are not covered at all makes me sad too, because I love driving the loneliest roads I can find, especially when I'm cruising along quietly in a futuristic electric vehicle. But it will come with time. Big batteries are probably not the most efficient solution, compared to more DCFCers. To cross some of those Eastern Montana routes in the middle of winter, with a headwind, towing a trailer, you could easly need a 500-kWh battery (more than the payload capacity of the Cybertruck). That's why more DCFCers are the real answer.
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Any idea how it will impact acceleration? The like the pep of the beast but I don’t think I’m really using all of its muscle that often. I have a deposit on the RE but it would be a bit of a let down if the extra load made acceleration substantially worse.
 

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Any idea how it will impact acceleration? The like the pep of the beast but I don’t think I’m really using all of its muscle that often. I have a deposit on the RE but it would be a bit of a let down if the extra load made acceleration substantially worse.
Probably slightly worse due to the added weight.
Shouldn't have any negative impact on motor torque or power levels.
 


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Realistically, how many people have actually placed a preorder for the Range Extender? Nobody outside of Tesla knows for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if the numbers are relatively small.

In 2024, about 39,000 Cybertrucks were sold in the US, according to Cox Automotive estimates. Add a few hundred in 4Q 2023, several thousand so far in 1Q 2025, and a few thousand for Canada. So maybe around 50,000 total (and don't say "it must be more, my VIN ix 68xxx" -- Tesla doesn't use every VIN. And even if a specific VIN has been manufactured, there's no guarantee that it has been sold -- Tesla still has unsold 2024 VINs in inventory).

So if there are around 50,000 CTs on the road, how many of those owners have actually given Tesla a $2,000 non-refundable deposit on a $16,000 (est.) Range Extender? This might be an interesting forum poll. But I'll bet it's a small minority -- maybe 10%? Maybe 20%? If so, Tesla would only have around 5,000 to 10,000 committed customers for the RE.

Is that enough? The RE is probably not a simple thing for Tesla to develop -- it will probably require a deep level of hardware and software integration. And it must be expensive to manufacture, judging by the $16,000 estimated price -- which Tesla still hasn't finalized, more than a year after the RE was announced.

Maybe we will hear more about the RE in a few months; production is currently "planned to begin in mid-2025". But it also seems possible that Tesla won't move forward until they have a certain number of customer commitments. And maybe the numbers so far are just not high enough.
 

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So Tesla wants $2,000 up front for the RE, but they won't provide firm numbers for the availability date ("planned"), the increased range ("est."), or the final price ("est."). It's also not clear if there will be an additional charge for the installation. The only guarantee is that the $2,000 is non-refundable.
I don’t think you have to pay anything upfront, you can just wait until they release it and have it in stock before buying it. I don’t think its only for those who put down the deposit.
 

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Realistically, how many people have actually placed a preorder for the Range Extender? Nobody outside of Tesla knows for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if the numbers are relatively small.

In 2024, about 39,000 Cybertrucks were sold in the US, according to Cox Automotive estimates. Add a few hundred in 4Q 2023, several thousand so far in 1Q 2025, and a few thousand for Canada. So maybe around 50,000 total (and don't say "it must be more, my VIN ix 68xxx" -- Tesla doesn't use every VIN. And even if a specific VIN has been manufactured, there's no guarantee that it has been sold -- Tesla still has unsold 2024 VINs in inventory).

So if there are around 50,000 CTs on the road, how many of those owners have actually given Tesla a $2,000 non-refundable deposit on a $16,000 (est.) Range Extender? This might be an interesting forum poll. But I'll bet it's a small minority -- maybe 10%? Maybe 20%? If so, Tesla would only have around 5,000 to 10,000 committed customers for the RE.

Is that enough? The RE is probably not a simple thing for Tesla to develop -- it will probably require a deep level of hardware and software integration. And it must be expensive to manufacture, judging by the $16,000 estimated price -- which Tesla still hasn't finalized, more than a year after the RE was announced.

Maybe we will hear more about the RE in a few months; production is currently "planned to begin in mid-2025". But it also seems possible that Tesla won't move forward until they have a certain number of customer commitments. And maybe the numbers so far are just not high enough.
I would be very surprised if it was anywhere close to 10%, i was thinking closer to 1%. Would love to see a poll for this.
 

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Realistically, how many people have actually placed a preorder for the Range Extender? Nobody outside of Tesla knows for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if the numbers are relatively small.

In 2024, about 39,000 Cybertrucks were sold in the US, according to Cox Automotive estimates. Add a few hundred in 4Q 2023, several thousand so far in 1Q 2025, and a few thousand for Canada. So maybe around 50,000 total (and don't say "it must be more, my VIN ix 68xxx" -- Tesla doesn't use every VIN. And even if a specific VIN has been manufactured, there's no guarantee that it has been sold -- Tesla still has unsold 2024 VINs in inventory).

So if there are around 50,000 CTs on the road, how many of those owners have actually given Tesla a $2,000 non-refundable deposit on a $16,000 (est.) Range Extender? This might be an interesting forum poll. But I'll bet it's a small minority -- maybe 10%? Maybe 20%? If so, Tesla would only have around 5,000 to 10,000 committed customers for the RE.

Is that enough? The RE is probably not a simple thing for Tesla to develop -- it will probably require a deep level of hardware and software integration. And it must be expensive to manufacture, judging by the $16,000 estimated price -- which Tesla still hasn't finalized, more than a year after the RE was announced.

Maybe we will hear more about the RE in a few months; production is currently "planned to begin in mid-2025". But it also seems possible that Tesla won't move forward until they have a certain number of customer commitments. And maybe the numbers so far are just not high enough.
I think you are correct that the numbers are not high. We did the reservation when it was $500. Still hoping it becomes an option some time in the future. I’m also hoping they design it in such a way the spare tire can be secured on top of it.
 


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I see it differently. What's really needed in Eastern Montana is a higher density of Superchargers.
Very low demand (new stations in many of those areas would go all day sometimes without any useage).
Yes I agree with the density, but when? I would say at least two-5 years to fill in those gaps.
That is not how Tesla approaches supercharger buildout on interstates. They don't look at demand as much as they used to. So I am confused by the unused statement. Many superchargers sit unused. Less now that they are open to others. People won't buy the cars if they can't also take family vacations in them. So filling in the gaps for the people in Minnesota that want to go west with the family. They need those chargers. Most of the time the cars at Montana Superchargers aren't from Montana as an FYI. I have driven back and forth 3 times already this year across that stretch from NY.


Bottom line I would like to see some folks travel eastern montana in winter at -15 with a 30 mile an hour headwind pulling a tiny camper. There is no scheduled addition to those chargers for the foreseeable future. Miles City to Billings is interesting in those types of temps. 146 miles. Going West is a windy day.

So some people might have to consider the extender if it comes about. That's how I see it. I have a camper popup bed on mine. Wouldn't dream of towing on interstates. The extender would give me a cleaner setup without all the generator and solar crap people are trying to do. Thats why I would use it.
 

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I don’t think you have to pay anything upfront, you can just wait until they release it and have it in stock before buying it. I don’t think its only for those who put down the deposit.
I think you're probably right. And it would make sense to just "wait and see", given all the uncertainty regarding the Range Extender details. At this point, we still the don't know the exact added range, the exact price, or the installation cost of the RE. So why not just "wait and see", instead of making a $2,000 non-refundable commitment?

The downside is that Tesla may be using that $2,000 non-refundable commitment as a measure of customer interest. It's going to be expensive for Tesla to develop and manufacture the RE, and they probably want to have a certain number of deposits in hand before they move forward. And in that case, the more people who decide to "wait and see", the longer the wait will be.

I would be very surprised if it was anywhere close to 10%, i was thinking closer to 1%.
At 1%, there would only be around 500 Cybertruck owners committed to buying a Range Extender. You could be right, but in that case, you can also see why Tesla might not be in a hurry to develop and manufacture it. It would be a great deal of effort for a low payoff.
 

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That poll showed a 38.7% take rate for the Range Extender, which is much higher than I would have expected. I find it hard to believe that this number is realistic.

Based on the timing of the poll (October 2024), most of the responders were probably Foundation Series owners. This means that they were prepared to pay a $20,000 premium for the privilege of being early adopters, and it also probably means that it was only another $500 to reserve the RE.

I suspect the numbers would be different if non-Foundation owners, who need to put down $2,000 for the RE, were polled.
 

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I think you are correct that the numbers are not high. We did the reservation when it was $500. Still hoping it becomes an option some time in the future. I’m also hoping they design it in such a way the spare tire can be secured on top of it.
Agree that it would make sense to somehow integrate the Range Extender and the spare tire. But it also seems like no matter how you do it, an RE and spare together in the bed may not leave a lot of room for anything else.
 

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That poll showed a 38.7% take rate for the Range Extender, which is much higher than I would have expected. I find it hard to believe that this number is realistic.

Based on the timing of the poll (October 2024), most of the responders were probably Foundation Series owners. This means that they were prepared to pay a $20,000 premium for the privilege of being early adopters, and it also probably means that it was only another $500 to reserve the RE.

I suspect the numbers would be different if non-Foundation owners, who need to put down $2,000 for the RE, were polled.
Fully agree, and the fact that most people who would click into a poll like that are also looking for more information on the extender they're waiting on.. myself included.

The foundation series wasn't a $20k "premium for the privilege" it was for a fully loaded CT at the time of release.
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