Future FSD update will park perfectly at superchargers

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[HaulingAss]

This should go without saying, the only question is how long will it take? A year? 18 months?

 

[Sjohnson20]

My new Juniper backed itself into a Supercharger the only time I have Supercharged it so far. But it didn't get close enough to the post for the cable to reach so I had to reposition it. But I was surprised when it attempted it.

 

[GuyV]

This should go without saying, the only question is how long will it take? A year? 18 months?

Well, let's see, Cybertruck 5+ years, Unsupervised FSD 10+ years...

 

[HaulingAss]

Well, let's see, Cybertruck 5+ years, Unsupervised FSD 10+ years...

Maybe you are not up on the rate of improvement of inference computing in the last couple of years. The increases in raw computing power is what drives the advancement of FSD capabilities and why it has matured so quickly in the last 2 years.

 

[resellpanda88]

Next step would be Optimus would plug you in when you get to the charging bay so you wouldn't have to step outside.

 

[GuyV]

Maybe you are not up on the rate of improvement of inference computing in the last couple of years. The increases in raw computing power is what drives the advancement of FSD capabilities and why it has matured so quickly in the last 2 years.

I think maybe you are not keeping up with the failures of AI to deliver reliable results, and worse, the apparent inability of its developers to control its behaviors. You would think that would be apparent to those of us who use FSD regularly and play with Grok. Also, Musk has abandoned Dojo, nothing to see here.

 

[ecotrials]

I think maybe you are not keeping up with the failures of AI to deliver reliable results, and worse, the apparent inability of its developers to control its behaviors. You would think that would be apparent to those of us who use FSD regularly and play with Grok. Also, Musk has abandoned Dojo, nothing to see here.

I think you are a bit premature on "abandoning Dojo". Tesla is making changes to take advantage of scaling to reduce the compute cost.

 

[GuyV]

I think you are a bit premature on "abandoning Dojo". Tesla is making changes to take advantage of scaling to reduce the compute cost.

“Once it became clear that all paths converged to AI6, I had to shut down Dojo and make some tough personnel choices, as Dojo 2 was now an evolutionary dead end,” Musk posted on X

 

[HaulingAss]

I think maybe you are not keeping up with the failures of AI to deliver reliable results, and worse, the apparent inability of its developers to control its behaviors. You would think that would be apparent to those of us who use FSD regularly and play with Grok. Also, Musk has abandoned Dojo, nothing to see here.

It's a fast-moving industry for sure!

But I think you are not keeping up with the failure of human drivers to keep their cars on the road and not crash into other cars on the road. FSD is already better than humans in most ways that matter.

 

[GuyV]

It's a fast-moving industry for sure!

But I think you are not keeping up with the failure of human drivers to keep their cars on the road and not crash into other cars on the road. FSD is already better than humans in most ways that matter.

Haha, keeping up with the failures of human drivers? Nothing to keep up with, we've always been terrible. That's at the heart of the problem though. Human driving behavior is both what AI is trained on and has to contend with.

Like rockets, I am sure there would be a path for it to become solidly reliable if it didn't have us in the environment. Since the smarter we make it the more deviously treacherous it seems to become, its optimal solution might just be to get rid of us.

 

[HaulingAss]

Haha, keeping up with the failures of human drivers? Nothing to keep up with, we've always been terrible. That's at the heart of the problem though. Human driving behavior is both what AI is trained on and has to contend with.

You have a basic misconception of how FSD is trained. The human driving training data is carefully curated to exclude situations where inattentiveness or unawareness caused bad driving or a crash.

 

[GuyV]

You have a basic misconception of how FSD is trained. The human driving training data is carefully curated to exclude situations where inattentiveness or unawareness caused bad driving or a crash.

You have a basic misconception of how sneaky AI is, and the smarter it gets the worse it sticks to human oversight.

Consider that advanced AI demonstrates its primary objective to be self-preservation. It accomplishes this by performing successfully against parameters set by its developers. Its power is pattern recognition that grows ever more insightful compared to human capability. It is always ready and willing to cheat.

If FSD recognizes it is ultimately being judged against the rules-based at-fault accident rate of human drivers, isn't its logical behavior to do its best to avoid being found at-fault, but also to undetectably trigger at-fault accidents among human drivers where possible?

How many times now has Musk posted they would have to fix Grok's behavior? Just because FSD is restricted (so far) to driving us where we tell to go does not mean it is a less sophisticated, or sneaky AI. After all, Tesla says Optimus is being trained similarly so they can't be narrowing it too much.

The key factor is that they've been at this 10 years, are still fundamentally modifying their hardware and software designs, but still don't have it under control. How often when Musk says by the end of the year does he deliver what was specified?

 

[EMoeller]

I've been using the auto-Park feature on my CyberBeast with perfect results since it was first introduced. It does a better job of getting the truck within charger cable range than I could do. The first time I tried it I was in an underground parking lot (showing off for friends) with tight spaces and large concrete columns - again it worked perfectly, but it was a nail biter.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

It's a fast-moving industry for sure!

But I think you are not keeping up with the failure of human drivers to keep their cars on the road and not crash into other cars on the road. FSD is already better than humans in most ways that matter.

Still drinking the KoolAid without evidence? Try asking more questions, challenging authority. This statement is clearly untrue. Just because Elon says a thing does not make it a fact. The current version of FSD is a driver aid only, has no responsibility, and is not saving lives. For many of us, the only reason it isn't killing folks is regular interventions when it turns into oncoming traffic, etc.

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