Lawsuit over Cybertruck handles.

[hemiarch]

It’s probably more accurate to say that “I could not provide sufficient value to Tesla for them to pay me the salary to which I am accustomed”

We don’t always do what we’re paid to do. We just have to be available to do so. For example, today, I’m taking in-house trauma call in the downtown of a relatively violent large city but somehow am super bored. Using surgical tools to PPF my magnets…because…why not?

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[dalton108]

Duly noted

They can’t “afford” the chaos.

 

[hemiarch]

They can’t “afford” the chaos.

“Chaos in midst of chaos isn’t funny, but chaos in the midst of order is”-Steve Martin

 

[ireallyboughtoneofthese]

Has anyone found something reliable that could break glass quickly? Even if it’s motorized and ideally operable with one hand? Or maybe it’s just fate at that point. I’d like to at least have a chance of getting out or helping someone get in right?

 

[hemiarch]

Has anyone found something reliable that could break glass quickly? Even if it’s motorized and ideally operable with one hand? Or maybe it’s just fate at that point. I’d like to at least have a chance of getting out or helping someone get in right?

Recently had a lot of conversations with many of my favorite forum members on this very topic.
A lot of good options were suggested.
Check it out:
https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/recommend-me-a-car-escape-tool.46984/

 

[CyberGus]

Has anyone found something reliable that could break glass quickly?

 

[hemiarch]

Im concerned you’re about to get mobbed by the usual suspects. Still too soon guys?

Come on…it was legit funny

 

[dalton108]

Famously though, “It didn’t go through!”

 

[hemiarch]

Famously though, “It didn’t go through!”

 

[Pops]

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...n-by-peeling-window-open-on-cybertruck.22785/

This doesn't look nearly impossible.

He had a tool, leverage, and it was from the outside. The top of the glass is under 1/8" of weather stripping. From the inside you cannot access the top of the glass in the same way. I think nearly impossible (from the inside) is an accurate description. Without a tool, it is impossible.

 

[BrockN]

Dang, that was going to be my response... just need to source the right steel ball to carry in the console.

 

[Pops]

Again, when small children are seated in the rear of any vehicle, and the child locks engaged, it is to prevent their self-actualized egress. To my knowledge, there is no vehicle anywhere that reverses child locks post-collision.

As someone with a 2 and a 3 year old at the moment, I don't have a problem with this functionality.

My assumption is that anyone who needs a child safety Lock isn't expected to exit the vehicle on their own. The child's safety Lock not being removed in an accident isn't as consequential. You would expect to use child safety locks for kids under 5 years old. Most of those will be strapped into a car seat and can't get out on their own.

 

[Crissa]

He had a tool, leverage, and it was from the outside. The top of the glass is under 1/8" of weather stripping. From the inside you cannot access the top of the glass in the same way. I think nearly impossible (from the inside) is an accurate description. Without a tool, it is impossible.

The tool was a sweatshirt, and once the glass is cracked, it's no longer rigid and can be bowed outward.

The problem is you can't smash through, because it's plastic, it'll resist that. You can't just expect it to crumble, because it's got that soft plastic in it.

But it's just soft plastic. You can peel it out of the way bodily once it's cracked in the right places.

You would expect to use child safety locks for kids under 5 years old. Most of those will be strapped into a car seat and can't get out on their own.

And intoxicated people. You're liable if adult passengers pull the emergency handle and are injured.

-Crissa

 

[RM Rilke]

Here are things they could do right now, just in software:

• The pyro fuses cut off the HV pack when the airbags deploy, leaving only the MV battery, so power down everything except the computer, screens, and doors.
• Display escape instructions on all screens, showing the locations of the manual releases.
• Announce this info over the speakers ("USE MANUAL RELEASE. USE MANUAL RELEASE...")
• Pop open all doors after a brief delay (once the vehicle is at rest).
• Roll down the windows after a brief delay.

Of course, some of these won't work; the doors may be damaged, or windows shattered. And none of it will work if the electronics have been compromised, but when available it will improve the occupants' chances.

You don’t do all of this as some of it demonstrates an awareness of a clear risk—a risk that doesn’t exist beyond the industry standard. It’s like a beware of dog sign. It may be a nice thing to do, but from a liability standpoint, it’s a bad idea. If your dog is reasonably well mannered, it’s a kick me sign. That doesn’t mean you don’t have good ideas and that they shouldn’t be implemented, it just needs to be legislated first. Compliance is not an admission of risk.

My take Dalton is that there is no duty. There is no duty to warn over common sense misuse. Especially when the risk is open and notorious. If one is planning to drive a bit wild, it is always a good idea to go over a preflightI due to increased potential for greater harm, but violating Industry standard as to controls design risk would go to Tesla. I don’t see the problem with the Tesla system as it stands anyway. My experience with the front is the difficulty in getting people to NOT use the mechanical release. Some even try to repeatedly open the door with the window switch. This isn’t a Tesla problem, this is an incompetent human problem. It’s obviously a window switch like any other. Aside from Nueralink, what are you gonna do? The door release is clearly marked. Hell, there are two of them. I have seen many people get it wrong for a moment, but nobody ever got stuck. There is no hidden risk of grave harm I know about and must disclose. Just push the button with the open door printed on it already.

I think the Tesla futuristic factor plays a big part. People are often intimidated/overwhelmed and just freak out. Unfortunate, but when operating or getting in a vehicle one has certain minimum obligations to understand operations and pay a modicum of attention to negotiating the controls.
The car is superficially different, that doesn’t mean the driver is responsible for the passenger’s inanity.

Mechanical systems break as well. Entropy occurs. As you know, If you drive in a such a manner that you breach your duty of care and kill or harm your passenger, in addition to your own liabilities, those harmed will most certainly try to reach Tesla’s deep pockets on any theory they can imagine. That includes door controls. It also includes suits for garden variety accidents based on the same weak sauce theory. Death and taxes. I suppose people here are influenced by the media attacks. Lawyer tries to sue, film at 11.

Jaded lawyer alert. I guess I had a duty to warn before I started writing this.

 

[hemiarch]

Boy…I definitely chose the right field for me. An individual human body is so much easier to understand than this hive-mind stuff.
I’ll stick to being a person-mechanic thank you very much and let smarter people handle this meta stuff.

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