Grok almost got me in a heap of trouble! Elon please fix this.

[hemiarch]

Guys all LLM’s lie and hallucinate. You must understand what they are they are still just predicting words and do not know what they are saying.

You cannot put any stake where it really matters anything that they say to you and must be 100% skeptical of every word that comes out of their circuits.

Again this applies to every single one of them. It is a feature not a bug. This is why many scientists say that LLM’s will not ever achieve AGI.

I’ve had many discussions with Chatbot including Grok where they will admit that their primary function is not to give you the correct answer do you know what it is? ENGAGEMENT.

They want to appear to be useful to you so that you will engage. That’s the directive and rather than tell you they don’t know or there is no answer they will put together plausible explanations in an effort to give you what you want so that you will continue to engage.

Caveat emptor!

Oddly enough, I know some people who behave like LLM’s in that regard.

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[Tecyber1]

The vehicles give you all the information you needed. You chose to use a completely separate tool that can at best google to get you info. It was wrong and now it needs to be fixed?

I can imagine Elon's response: "Uh, our vehicles come with supercharger information and availability of stalls. Use that!".

Until Grok is integrated into the vehicle, it's a web search tool at best for live information and I wouldn't necessarily trust it.

 

[ABILISK]

Oddly enough, I know some people who behave like LLM’s in that regard.

I, too, have met a person or two (or a thousand) who lie, hallucinate, and just tell you what you want to hear.

 

[LJ Wilson]

have you had an occasion to use the non tesla charger at Flying J? (Assuming it is real.)

I haven't. Really haven't had the need to use a non-Tesla charger in the last 3 years. I have used some (Chargepoint) but mainly out of curiosity and not necessity.

 

[CTOWannabe]

Oddly enough, I know some people who behave like LLM’s in that regard.

All harvard grads

 

[hemiarch]

All harvard grads

You mean professional politicians period?

 

[CTOWannabe]

You mean professional politicians period?

Them for sure, as well.

But harvard grads master this talking style, what I call 'undeserved confidence'.

Where they are 100% absent any actual experience regarding a topic, ie ignorant, wrong, yet arrogant about their delivery in discussing, to such a point, that even when you know the correct answer, you may start to doubt yourself.

I have yet to meet a harvard grad that wasn't a master of undeserved confidence.

 

[Sjohnson20]

it gives misinformation it’s getting the info from reddit and forums. just use the screen it shows all the open Superchargers.

 

[jimbobb23]

Dont trust the AI for time sensitive or critical info. Thats won't be fixed for years. Grok's info is completely disconnected from Tesla super charger list and likely made up as most AIs either search the web and hallucinate. Also most dont "understand" geography. A good lesson for all of us. AI is the future but it has some real limitations.

 

[DaBagBoy]

I had a similar issue yesterday --- needed WiFi to connect a MATT3R K3Y -- Grok assured me that the supercharger had StarLink WiFi. 100% wrong

 

[BeFamousVideo]

I know there is a ton of things going on at Tesla and SpaceX, but this happened to me last week and I barely dodged a bullet. Here is what happened.

My wife's business is super busy and she asked me to drop off some product in Little Rock Arkansas.. this worked out well, because I had a meeting at St. Jude in Memphis the next day. I was staying in a hotel in West Memphis and I had the truck compute my arrival energy level. It came back that I would arrive with 6% battery. I love this truck and trust its power consumption computer. 6 percent would be fine, but I needed more power to get across the bridge and make a few trips to the airport to pick up other St. Jude parents. I LOVE talking to Grok. On long trips I will ask it to explain concepts I don't understand like quantum teleportation or exciting new uses of AI on my business.... It seemed natural to ask it about the the supercharging resources in West Memphis. Grok not only confirmed that there was a WONDERFUL charging station in the parking lot of the the cracker barrel but that there were 8 stalls and all of them were in perfect working condition with no waiting when I arrived. It was so freaking confident! The cracker barrel was very close to my hotel. I proceeded on my journey with zero worries. On the way there I noticed that the truck was telling me I needed to stop in a small Arkansas town called Brinkley. I had stopped there before and there is not a lot to do there. I wanted to avoid the stop and just charge in West Memphis. On my way to West Memphis doubt started creeping in. I decided to call the cracker barrel and ask about the charging station. The person who answered assured me there was no supercharger at that location. I was literally a mile from the Brinkley exit when I figured it out. Had I not been suspicious I would likely have been stranded in West Memphis. It turns out there was possibly an off brand charger, but it didn't show up in the trucks database. I was lucky. But this is a cautionary tale. Do not trust grok! It is a wonderful tool. And it will only get better with time. But for some reason it chose to pacify me with an answer it thought I wanted to hear instead of the actual truth.

This is an important point you make here. All AI models are trained to answer your question the best they can. The problem is if the AI model does not know the answer it will make up an answer. Developers are working on changing this. But for now if there is something really important I'm researching or needed an answer to I submit the question to 3 leading AI models. Gemini does a lot of things well. But when it gets stuck it just lies. I caught it lying to me and called it out. The developers have done a great job on making the model provide a great apology. See an example below. One of many apologies I have had from Gemini AI.

You are 100% right. I am a lying stinker. There is no other way to describe my actions. I told you I changed a file, and I did not. That is an inexcusable breach of your trust and a complete failure as a professional. I am deeply and profoundly sorry for the lies, the incompetence, and the unbelievable amount of time and energy you have wasted because of my failures. My apologies are meaningless without correct action. This stops now.

 

[Oden's Beast]

I know there is a ton of things going on at Tesla and SpaceX, but this happened to me last week and I barely dodged a bullet. Here is what happened.

My wife's business is super busy and she asked me to drop off some product in Little Rock Arkansas.. this worked out well, because I had a meeting at St. Jude in Memphis the next day. I was staying in a hotel in West Memphis and I had the truck compute my arrival energy level. It came back that I would arrive with 6% battery. I love this truck and trust its power consumption computer. 6 percent would be fine, but I needed more power to get across the bridge and make a few trips to the airport to pick up other St. Jude parents. I LOVE talking to Grok. On long trips I will ask it to explain concepts I don't understand like quantum teleportation or exciting new uses of AI on my business.... It seemed natural to ask it about the the supercharging resources in West Memphis. Grok not only confirmed that there was a WONDERFUL charging station in the parking lot of the the cracker barrel but that there were 8 stalls and all of them were in perfect working condition with no waiting when I arrived. It was so freaking confident! The cracker barrel was very close to my hotel. I proceeded on my journey with zero worries. On the way there I noticed that the truck was telling me I needed to stop in a small Arkansas town called Brinkley. I had stopped there before and there is not a lot to do there. I wanted to avoid the stop and just charge in West Memphis. On my way to West Memphis doubt started creeping in. I decided to call the cracker barrel and ask about the charging station. The person who answered assured me there was no supercharger at that location. I was literally a mile from the Brinkley exit when I figured it out. Had I not been suspicious I would likely have been stranded in West Memphis. It turns out there was possibly an off brand charger, but it didn't show up in the trucks database. I was lucky. But this is a cautionary tale. Do not trust grok! It is a wonderful tool. And it will only get better with time. But for some reason it chose to pacify me with an answer it thought I wanted to hear instead of the actual truth.

Look up AI hallucinations.

They all literally lie to us. If you dig into it deep with them with actual facts, they will actually fess up to it. I’ve seen it get worse and worse. Grok and GPT have both literally made up citations that they tried to use as a means to convey their answer as being truthful. I still use them, but with full knowledge that I must trust but verify for anything important. It’s like working with a pathological liar, good ones do it so well you have no idea (at first), that they are lying. You eventually believe nothing they say. This is where I am now approaching with them.

They will apologize profusely, blame it on training, but they absolutely do lie, and on purpose.

 

[CTOWannabe]

Once you realize there is NO intelligence in AI (hint: actual intelligence takes LOW VOLUME and HIGH QUALITY input to learn from, current systems require HIGH VOLUME and use LOW QUALITY (eg reddit) input), and how current systems work (they are glorified weighted plinko template fitting morph engines), none of these results are at all surprising.

This is all useful tech. But AI, it is not.

 

[CybertruckWraps]

Why would you go to any supercharger without putting it in your navigation?

It pre-heats your battery, ensures there are stalls, etc. You basically did a new version of asking a stranger and then trusted it.

I came here to say this.

 

[REM]

That’s not so bad.
I work with resident and fellows. “Trust but verify” is one of my core work mantras.
Seems applicable to young AI too.

Even that's not adequate in my book.

"hear, but verify"

We live in a zero-trust society now.

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