FSD 14.1.2 adds MAD MAX speed profile

[hemiarch]

It’s a liability issue for Tesla too. Honestly.
it’s an actual named mode with goals set beyond the limits of the law.
dumb decision if you ask me.

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[Cincycyber]

My current FSD tries to do 50 in school zones sometimes when there are literally children everywhere and does 20 sometimes through the same roads in the middle of the night. It lacks context. Maybe 14 is way smarter but that’s a bit of a bummer to take away speed I out from the driver.

Mine has never ever recognized a 20 mph school zone. Tried to pass a school bus stopped with lights flashing and “stop sign arm” deployed a few weeks ago as children were getting off the bus.

 

[SlegMD]

Double down on douche mode

 

[hemiarch]

Seriously though, “ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the driver of the vehicle in question was in fact in MAD MAX mode when they struck the child, but that doesn’t indicate they were doing anything reckless” is not a sentence anyone ever wants to hear their attorney say.

 

[hemiarch]

Double down on douche mode

Double douche mode.

 

[SlegMD]

Double douche mode.

 

[WormtownKris]

Mine has never ever recognized a 20 mph school zone. Tried to pass a school bus stopped with lights flashing and “stop sign arm” deployed a few weeks ago as children were getting off the bus.

Mine only "sees" speed limit signs that are white with black lettering. And sometimes confuses "Route 62" signs for "Speed Limit 60 MPH". In my area, we have a lot of "local hazard" yellow with black signs for a reduced speed at sharp turns, highway offramps, etc. One mountain road continually updates the speed, all on square yellow signs, so the truck stays at Speed Limit 20 mph, because the last white speed sign we passed was at the town center. One of the main reasons I rarely try FSD.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Hmmm this might just get us pulled over … will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Personally I hope it gets everyone using it pulled over and ticketed.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Tesla has demonstrated an anti-social attitude in FSD that this change only moves the needle further in the same direction. For example, it encourages passing on the right, it ignores a line of traffic and races forward to the last minute and the wedges itself back into the traffic, it tailgates, it ignores warning signs and speed changes. If I were the NHTSA I’d start an investigation of Tesla’s flaunting this kind of behavior. You can drive whatever way you want and take your chances with the law, but the last thing ‘I’ want to see in an autonomous vehicle is law breaking and ‘me first’ driving attitude. I have asked Tesla several times for a ‘courteous’ mode, and Mad Max is introduced to do the opposite.

yes, I am pissed off about this. It isn’t fun - it is disrespectful. I want to be able to trust that FSD will do the right thing, but Tesla seems more interested in doing everything ‘but’ the right thing.

 

[ABILISK]

Tesla has demonstrated an anti-social attitude in FSD that this change only moves the needle further in the same direction. For example, it encourages passing on the right, it ignores a line of traffic and races forward to the last minute and the wedges itself back into the traffic, it tailgates, it ignores warning signs and speed changes. If I were the NHTSA I’d start an investigation of Tesla’s flaunting this kind of behavior. You can drive whatever way you want and take your chances with the law, but the last thing ‘I’ want to see in an autonomous vehicle is law breaking and ‘me first’ driving attitude. I have asked Tesla several times for a ‘courteous’ mode, and Mad Max is introduced to do the opposite.

yes, I am pissed off about this. It isn’t fun - it is disrespectful. I want to be able to trust that FSD will do the right thing, but Tesla seems more interested in doing everything ‘but’ the right thing.

When it’s unsupervised, I highly doubt it will be a crazy, aggressive driver. This is a “for now” thing for people in a rush who are supervising. Unsupervised has always and will always be the end-all-be-all, and there’s no way there will be different profiles on it, because no humans are watching it.

I can also guarantee, without even having experienced it myself, that Mad Max is a safer driver than most idiot humans driving around. But I live in a big city so my standards are pretty low. A lot of them don’t even have DLs and drive illegally.

 

[Raptor370]

Tesla has demonstrated an anti-social attitude in FSD that this change only moves the needle further in the same direction. For example, it encourages passing on the right, it ignores a line of traffic and races forward to the last minute and the wedges itself back into the traffic, it tailgates, it ignores warning signs and speed changes. If I were the NHTSA I’d start an investigation of Tesla’s flaunting this kind of behavior. You can drive whatever way you want and take your chances with the law, but the last thing ‘I’ want to see in an autonomous vehicle is law breaking and ‘me first’ driving attitude. I have asked Tesla several times for a ‘courteous’ mode, and Mad Max is introduced to do the opposite.

yes, I am pissed off about this. It isn’t fun - it is disrespectful. I want to be able to trust that FSD will do the right thing, but Tesla seems more interested in doing everything ‘but’ the right thing.

I would love a courteous mode. I don’t mind going a little faster if it is safe but I always try to be respectful of the drivers around me. A few back end toggles to choose desired driving preferences would be awesome. Examples, get out of the left lane if not passing. Proactively get over to the exit lane distance .5 miles, .75 miles or 1 mile in advance. I am sure you guys could come up with more but you get the intent.
I am worried about the max speed thing too. I may adjust down to 20% or so instead of the recommended 40%.

 

[hemiarch]

I would love a courteous mode. I don’t mind going a little faster if it is safe but I always try to be respectful of the drivers around me. A few back end toggles to choose desired driving preferences would be awesome. Examples, get out of the left lane if not passing. Proactively get over to the exit lane distance .5 miles, .75 miles or 1 mile in advance. I am sure you guys could come up with more but you get the intent.
I am worried about the max speed thing too. I may adjust down to 20% or so instead of the recommended 40%.

Where are you now torque news? “cybertruck owners request chivalry function in FSD but pleas fall on deaf ears from subhuman-slime Elon Musk” not sound like your kind of title?

 

[dalton108]

When it’s unsupervised, I highly doubt it will be a crazy, aggressive driver. This is a “for now” thing for people in a rush who are supervising. Unsupervised has always and will always be the end-all-be-all, and there’s no way there will be different profiles on it, because no humans are watching it.

I can also guarantee, without even having experienced it myself, that Mad Max is a safer driver than most idiot humans driving around. But I live in a big city so my standards are pretty low. A lot of them don’t even have DLs and drive illegally.

A lot of this is spot on.

It’s interesting to see different people’s perspectives on these things. I’ll say this: driving home recently from SoCal on the 15, FSD in Hurry Mode was nearly unusable. I’ve been traversing this route regularly for 40 years; it has gotten insane!

Doing an average of 80-85 in a 70mph zone I was routinely being passed on the left AND right. Tractor trailers are doing 70-80! They’re supposed to be at 55! Assertive drivers are routinely doing 90. The bold are hitting 100 at least for small bursts. You see reckless ppl hitting autobahn speeds at least briefly.

Even in driving rain, my observation of the average speed was 80 mph! That’s still 10 over max!

So, courteous mode in this context would make you an outlier and a nuisance. Driving effectively amid this lawlessness probably does require a Mad Max mode. Tesla’s DNA is in CA.

Notice above when I said the “bold” are briefly hitting 100, I didn’t/don’t deem that speed to be reckless, and under certain conditions on the 15 I’d say that speed is perfectly safe (in a well maintained vehicle with a competent driver). It’s TEN LANES ACROSS in certain sections and straight as an arrow!

So, setting personal sentiments aside, one size is not going to fit all. Sloth mode will rarely if ever be engaged in any of my vehicles and I’ve already got experience with Mad Max mode when we had it back in the day. I don’t think most ppl will use either every day.

I’ll use it on the trip I’m about to make home from Big Bear. Maybe I’d use Sloth mode driving through Carson City (or other good-ole-boy 25 mph speed trap towns), or in a funeral procession. Each will surely have its place.

 

[Raptor370]

Where are you now torque news? “cybertruck owners request chivalry function in FSD but falls on deaf ears from subhuman slime Elon Musk” not sound like your kind of title?

Definitely not my kind of title. lol. Was that a real article? With the state of the news these days it is sadly hard to tell. I could see them running with that one.

 

[hemiarch]

A lot of this is spot on.

It’s interesting to see different people’s perspectives on these things. I’ll say this: driving home recently from SoCal on the 15, FSD in hurry mode was nearly unusable. I’ve been traversing this route regularly for 40 years; it has gotten insane!

Doing an average of 80-85 in a 70mph zone I was routinely being passed on the left AND right. Tractor trailers are doing 70-80! They’re supposed to be at 55! Assertive drivers are routinely doing 90. The bold are hitting 100 at least for small bursts. You see reckless ppl hitting autobahn speeds at least briefly.

Even in driving rain, my observation of the average speed was 80 mph! That’s still 10 over max!

So, courteous mode in this context would make you an outlier and a nuisance. Driving effectively amid this lawlessness probably does require a Mad Max mode. Tesla’s DNA is in CA.

Notice above when I said the “bold” are briefly hitting 100, I didn’t deem that speed to be reckless and under certain conditions on the 15 I’d say that speed is perfectly safe in a well maintained vehicle with a competent driver. It’s TEN LANES ACROSS in certain sections and straight as an arrow!

So, setting personal sentiments aside, one size is not going to fit all. Sloth mode will rarely if ever be engaged in any of my vehicles and I’ve already got experience with Mad Max mode when we had it back in the day. I don’t think most ppl will use either every day.

I’ll use it on the trip I’m about to make home from Big Bear. Maybe I’d use Sloth mode driving through Carson City or in a funeral procession. Each will surely have its place.

Fair argument. Just don’t forget to actually supervise. Temptation not to is getting greater and greater as FSD improves and there is more aftermarket cabin tech aimed at making life harder for driver attention monitoring. Phone stands etc.
You’re still on the hook for anything that car does.

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