Model X plaid has a much better sound system than cybertruck.

[dalton108]

Last I’ll say about it until somebody reignites this thread again several months from now. Here’s a synopsis/synthesis from Grok:

Prompt: “Which is better the sound system the 2023 model S plaid or the 2024 cyberbeast?”

The sound system in the 2023 Tesla Model S Plaid is generally considered better overall than the one in the 2024 Cybertruck Cyberbeast (or any Cybertruck trim, as audio hardware is the same across them). [Pretty sure that the RWD and the new 60 K trim do not have the same audio hardware but this is not germane to the rest of the analysis.]

Here’s a direct head-to-head comparison based on official specs, detailed teardowns, reviews, and owner feedback:

——

[Table it produced. Not going to clean this up or worry about formatting it. I’ve just put it here for transparency/completeness. This is just a full copy and paste from Grok’s output.]

Key Specs
Feature
2023 Model S Plaid
2024 Cybertruck Cyberbeast
Winner
Total Speakers/Drivers
22
15 (including 2 dedicated subwoofers)
Plaid
Total Power
960 watts (officially published)
Not published (estimated lower; distributed 48V amps)
Plaid
Subwoofers
1 × 8” in trunk
2 × 8” under rear seat
Cybertruck (bass quantity/impact)
Key Drivers
Complex array: multiple 8”/6” woofers, 3” mids, 1-2” tweeters across dash, doors, A-pillars, headliner, rear shelf
3×4” dash mids, 2×1” A-pillar tweeters, 2×8” front doors, 2×4” rear doors, 2×4” headliner mids + dual 8” subs
Plaid (more tweeters/mids for clarity & imaging)
Tesla Description
“Studio-quality sound” with 22 speakers, 960W, advanced sound insulation
“Tesla-engineered, studio-quality sound” with 15 speakers, 2 subs, distributed amps
Tie
Notable Features
Immersive Sound mode, active noise reduction (in some contexts)
Strong immersion in large cabin, very loud max volume
Plaid (refinement)

—-

Why the Model S Plaid Wins for Most People

• More speakers and higher power give it superior clarity, wider soundstage, better separation of instruments/vocals, and overall refinement. Detailed layouts (e.g., dedicated tweeters in multiple locations, multiple mid-range drivers) create a more “recording studio-grade” experience, as Tesla advertises.

• Professional reviews (e.g., from audio-focused sites) often call the refreshed Model S Plaid one of the best-sounding Teslas ever, competing with high-end luxury systems in balance and fidelity.

• Owner comparisons from forums (Cybertruck Owners Club, Reddit, Tesla Motors Club) are consistent: people who have driven both (or had Plaid loaners while owning a Cybertruck) overwhelmingly say the Plaid sounds noticeably better — more detailed, no rattles, higher fidelity. Comments like “the Model S Plaid blows my Cyberbeast out of the water — it’s not even close” are common.

Where the Cybertruck Cyberbeast Shines (and Why Some Prefer It)

• Dual 8” subwoofers deliver more visceral, room-filling bass than the Plaid’s single sub — great for EDM, hip-hop, movies, or feeling the rumble in its larger cabin.

• The 48V architecture with distributed amplifiers allows efficient, high-output performance without traditional wiring limits. Many reviewers and YouTubers call it “mind-blowing” or “immersive” right out of the box, especially for loud playback or theater-like movie watching.

• The ultra-quiet cabin (360° acoustic glass) helps the system shine at lower volumes.
Bottom Line

• Choose the 2023 Model S Plaid if you prioritize balanced, high-fidelity, audiophile-grade sound with excellent imaging and clarity (most critics and cross-shoppers agree it’s the winner).

• The 2024 Cyberbeast is still excellent and may feel more impactful for bass-heavy content or sheer volume in its truck environment — but it doesn’t match the Plaid’s speaker count, published power, or refined detail according to direct comparisons.

Both are among the best factory EV audio systems available, with no aftermarket needed for 95% of listeners. If you’re deciding between vehicles, test-drive both with your own music (Tesla’s app lets you stream high-quality sources easily). The Plaid edges it out on pure sound quality.

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Same prompt; Gemini’s conclusion:

The Model S Plaid system is often described as having "recording studio-grade" clarity due to the higher speaker count and specialized noise cancellation. The Cyberbeast system is characterized by its powerful low-end performance and theater-like immersion aided by the dual-subwoofer layout. Whether one is "better" depends on whether you prioritize the technical precision and higher driver count of the Model S or the bass-heavy, cinematic output of the Cybertruck.

======================================================

Same prompt; ChatGPT 5.2’s output:

Short answer: the 2023 Tesla Model S Plaid has the better sound system compared to the 2024 Cyberbeast (Cybertruck).

Why:

• The 2023 Model S Plaid comes with a 22-speaker audio system rated at ~960 W and features like active noise cancellation integrated into a very quiet cabin — this contributes to both measured output and perceived clarity/immersion.


• The 2024 Cybertruck (including the Cyberbeast trim) has a 15-speaker premium audio system. Tesla has not published a comparable wattage figure or advanced ANC capability for it, and independent commentary suggests it’s solid but not in the same spec class as the Plaid system.


Bottom line: On objective spec count and published output, the Plaid’s audio system outperforms the Cyberbeast’s system.

======================================================

Sponsored

 

[dalton108]

Please Tesla. Pretty pretty please with a cherry on top and sprinkles….make a model x with steer by wire and 4 wheel steering.
Throw in a front camera while you’re at it and I’ll whip out my checkbook instantly.
The recent “refresh” was weak sauce.
Thanks for the wheels covers and accent lights. I’d expect that from Teslaunch, not Lars and Franz and Wes.

Man. Unanswered prayers.

 

[TyPope]

Last I’ll say about it until somebody reignites this thread again several months from now. Here’s a synopsis/synthesis from Grok:

Prompt: “Which is better the sound system the 2023 model S plaid or the 2024 cyberbeast?”

The sound system in the 2023 Tesla Model S Plaid is generally considered better overall than the one in the 2024 Cybertruck Cyberbeast (or any Cybertruck trim, as audio hardware is the same across them). [Pretty sure that the RWD and the new 60 K trim do not have the same audio hardware but this is not germane to the rest of the analysis.]

Here’s a direct head-to-head comparison based on official specs, detailed teardowns, reviews, and owner feedback:

——

[Table it produced. Not going to clean this up or worry about formatting it. I’ve just put it here for transparency/completeness. This is just a full copy and paste from Grok’s output.]

Key Specs
Feature
2023 Model S Plaid
2024 Cybertruck Cyberbeast
Winner
Total Speakers/Drivers
22
15 (including 2 dedicated subwoofers)
Plaid
Total Power
960 watts (officially published)
Not published (estimated lower; distributed 48V amps)
Plaid
Subwoofers
1 × 8” in trunk
2 × 8” under rear seat
Cybertruck (bass quantity/impact)
Key Drivers
Complex array: multiple 8”/6” woofers, 3” mids, 1-2” tweeters across dash, doors, A-pillars, headliner, rear shelf
3×4” dash mids, 2×1” A-pillar tweeters, 2×8” front doors, 2×4” rear doors, 2×4” headliner mids + dual 8” subs
Plaid (more tweeters/mids for clarity & imaging)
Tesla Description
“Studio-quality sound” with 22 speakers, 960W, advanced sound insulation
“Tesla-engineered, studio-quality sound” with 15 speakers, 2 subs, distributed amps
Tie
Notable Features
Immersive Sound mode, active noise reduction (in some contexts)
Strong immersion in large cabin, very loud max volume
Plaid (refinement)

—-

Why the Model S Plaid Wins for Most People

• More speakers and higher power give it superior clarity, wider soundstage, better separation of instruments/vocals, and overall refinement. Detailed layouts (e.g., dedicated tweeters in multiple locations, multiple mid-range drivers) create a more “recording studio-grade” experience, as Tesla advertises.

• Professional reviews (e.g., from audio-focused sites) often call the refreshed Model S Plaid one of the best-sounding Teslas ever, competing with high-end luxury systems in balance and fidelity.

• Owner comparisons from forums (Cybertruck Owners Club, Reddit, Tesla Motors Club) are consistent: people who have driven both (or had Plaid loaners while owning a Cybertruck) overwhelmingly say the Plaid sounds noticeably better — more detailed, no rattles, higher fidelity. Comments like “the Model S Plaid blows my Cyberbeast out of the water — it’s not even close” are common.

Where the Cybertruck Cyberbeast Shines (and Why Some Prefer It)

• Dual 8” subwoofers deliver more visceral, room-filling bass than the Plaid’s single sub — great for EDM, hip-hop, movies, or feeling the rumble in its larger cabin.

• The 48V architecture with distributed amplifiers allows efficient, high-output performance without traditional wiring limits. Many reviewers and YouTubers call it “mind-blowing” or “immersive” right out of the box, especially for loud playback or theater-like movie watching.

• The ultra-quiet cabin (360° acoustic glass) helps the system shine at lower volumes.
Bottom Line

• Choose the 2023 Model S Plaid if you prioritize balanced, high-fidelity, audiophile-grade sound with excellent imaging and clarity (most critics and cross-shoppers agree it’s the winner).

• The 2024 Cyberbeast is still excellent and may feel more impactful for bass-heavy content or sheer volume in its truck environment — but it doesn’t match the Plaid’s speaker count, published power, or refined detail according to direct comparisons.

Both are among the best factory EV audio systems available, with no aftermarket needed for 95% of listeners. If you’re deciding between vehicles, test-drive both with your own music (Tesla’s app lets you stream high-quality sources easily). The Plaid edges it out on pure sound quality.

======================================================

Same prompt; Gemini’s conclusion:

The Model S Plaid system is often described as having "recording studio-grade" clarity due to the higher speaker count and specialized noise cancellation. The Cyberbeast system is characterized by its powerful low-end performance and theater-like immersion aided by the dual-subwoofer layout. Whether one is "better" depends on whether you prioritize the technical precision and higher driver count of the Model S or the bass-heavy, cinematic output of the Cybertruck.

======================================================

Same prompt; ChatGPT 5.2’s output:

Short answer: the 2023 Tesla Model S Plaid has the better sound system compared to the 2024 Cyberbeast (Cybertruck).

Why:

• The 2023 Model S Plaid comes with a 22-speaker audio system rated at ~960 W and features like active noise cancellation integrated into a very quiet cabin — this contributes to both measured output and perceived clarity/immersion.


• The 2024 Cybertruck (including the Cyberbeast trim) has a 15-speaker premium audio system. Tesla has not published a comparable wattage figure or advanced ANC capability for it, and independent commentary suggests it’s solid but not in the same spec class as the Plaid system.


Bottom line: On objective spec count and published output, the Plaid’s audio system outperforms the Cyberbeast’s system.

======================================================

LOL. Actually, I find it sad that people will look at a comparison like this and make conclusions erroneously by following a repeating echo chamber of misconceptions...

"On objective spec count and published output..." LOL. Basically, it's saying "Because we know the published output of the Model X, it must be better because we don't know the output of the CB"

That's horse shit logic.

I'm not saying the CT is better than the MX. I only spent a day with the MX loaner I had, and I don't recall the sound system being better. It may have been better, but I didn't walk away from the car thinking "Man, that was better than my truck."

 

[dalton108]

LOL. Actually, I find it sad that people will look at a comparison like this and make conclusions erroneously by following a repeating echo chamber of misconceptions...

"On objective spec count and published output..." LOL. Basically, it's saying "Because we know the published output of the Model X, it must be better because we don't know the output of the CB"

That's horse shit logic.

I'm not saying the CT is better than the MX. I only spent a day with the MX loaner I had, and I don't recall the sound system being better. It may have been better, but I didn't walk away from the car thinking "Man, that was better than my truck."

I’ve got thousands of miles in each (and more time listening than what would be reflected by just Miles driven in each as well). I know them intimately. I can’t speak for anybody else else’s CyberBeast. Mine is not in the same league as my Model S Plaid. It rattles, it’s muddy by comparison. I can easily perceive the additional speakers (clarity and fidelity) and wattage (raw power). I cannot peak the system in my Plaid. I’ve never experienced that before in any sound system. Ever.

If you got into both of my cars and concluded that beast was better, I would conclude that you were deaf. I don’t spend much time in my wife’s Model X, so I can’t comment on it.

 

[CyberTexas]

Last I’ll say about it until somebody reignites this thread again several months from now. Here’s a synopsis/synthesis from Grok:

Prompt: “Which is better the sound system the 2023 model S plaid or the 2024 cyberbeast?”

The sound system in the 2023 Tesla Model S Plaid is generally considered better overall than the one in the 2024 Cybertruck Cyberbeast (or any Cybertruck trim, as audio hardware is the same across them). [Pretty sure that the RWD and the new 60 K trim do not have the same audio hardware but this is not germane to the rest of the analysis.]

Here’s a direct head-to-head comparison based on official specs, detailed teardowns, reviews, and owner feedback:

——

[Table it produced. Not going to clean this up or worry about formatting it. I’ve just put it here for transparency/completeness. This is just a full copy and paste from Grok’s output.]

Key Specs
Feature
2023 Model S Plaid
2024 Cybertruck Cyberbeast
Winner
Total Speakers/Drivers
22
15 (including 2 dedicated subwoofers)
Plaid
Total Power
960 watts (officially published)
Not published (estimated lower; distributed 48V amps)
Plaid
Subwoofers
1 × 8” in trunk
2 × 8” under rear seat
Cybertruck (bass quantity/impact)
Key Drivers
Complex array: multiple 8”/6” woofers, 3” mids, 1-2” tweeters across dash, doors, A-pillars, headliner, rear shelf
3×4” dash mids, 2×1” A-pillar tweeters, 2×8” front doors, 2×4” rear doors, 2×4” headliner mids + dual 8” subs
Plaid (more tweeters/mids for clarity & imaging)
Tesla Description
“Studio-quality sound” with 22 speakers, 960W, advanced sound insulation
“Tesla-engineered, studio-quality sound” with 15 speakers, 2 subs, distributed amps
Tie
Notable Features
Immersive Sound mode, active noise reduction (in some contexts)
Strong immersion in large cabin, very loud max volume
Plaid (refinement)

—-

Why the Model S Plaid Wins for Most People

• More speakers and higher power give it superior clarity, wider soundstage, better separation of instruments/vocals, and overall refinement. Detailed layouts (e.g., dedicated tweeters in multiple locations, multiple mid-range drivers) create a more “recording studio-grade” experience, as Tesla advertises.

• Professional reviews (e.g., from audio-focused sites) often call the refreshed Model S Plaid one of the best-sounding Teslas ever, competing with high-end luxury systems in balance and fidelity.

• Owner comparisons from forums (Cybertruck Owners Club, Reddit, Tesla Motors Club) are consistent: people who have driven both (or had Plaid loaners while owning a Cybertruck) overwhelmingly say the Plaid sounds noticeably better — more detailed, no rattles, higher fidelity. Comments like “the Model S Plaid blows my Cyberbeast out of the water — it’s not even close” are common.

Where the Cybertruck Cyberbeast Shines (and Why Some Prefer It)

• Dual 8” subwoofers deliver more visceral, room-filling bass than the Plaid’s single sub — great for EDM, hip-hop, movies, or feeling the rumble in its larger cabin.

• The 48V architecture with distributed amplifiers allows efficient, high-output performance without traditional wiring limits. Many reviewers and YouTubers call it “mind-blowing” or “immersive” right out of the box, especially for loud playback or theater-like movie watching.

• The ultra-quiet cabin (360° acoustic glass) helps the system shine at lower volumes.
Bottom Line

• Choose the 2023 Model S Plaid if you prioritize balanced, high-fidelity, audiophile-grade sound with excellent imaging and clarity (most critics and cross-shoppers agree it’s the winner).

• The 2024 Cyberbeast is still excellent and may feel more impactful for bass-heavy content or sheer volume in its truck environment — but it doesn’t match the Plaid’s speaker count, published power, or refined detail according to direct comparisons.

Both are among the best factory EV audio systems available, with no aftermarket needed for 95% of listeners. If you’re deciding between vehicles, test-drive both with your own music (Tesla’s app lets you stream high-quality sources easily). The Plaid edges it out on pure sound quality.

======================================================

Same prompt; Gemini’s conclusion:

The Model S Plaid system is often described as having "recording studio-grade" clarity due to the higher speaker count and specialized noise cancellation. The Cyberbeast system is characterized by its powerful low-end performance and theater-like immersion aided by the dual-subwoofer layout. Whether one is "better" depends on whether you prioritize the technical precision and higher driver count of the Model S or the bass-heavy, cinematic output of the Cybertruck.

======================================================

Same prompt; ChatGPT 5.2’s output:

Short answer: the 2023 Tesla Model S Plaid has the better sound system compared to the 2024 Cyberbeast (Cybertruck).

Why:

• The 2023 Model S Plaid comes with a 22-speaker audio system rated at ~960 W and features like active noise cancellation integrated into a very quiet cabin — this contributes to both measured output and perceived clarity/immersion.


• The 2024 Cybertruck (including the Cyberbeast trim) has a 15-speaker premium audio system. Tesla has not published a comparable wattage figure or advanced ANC capability for it, and independent commentary suggests it’s solid but not in the same spec class as the Plaid system.


Bottom line: On objective spec count and published output, the Plaid’s audio system outperforms the Cyberbeast’s system.

======================================================

Ah yes, trust chatbox over Tesla chief engineer…got it!

Doesn’t the latest Lincoln has like 30 speakers and 1000+ wattage? So that must be better, right?

 

[dalton108]

Ah yes, trust chatbox over Tesla chief engineer…got it!

Doesn’t the latest Lincoln has like 30 speakers and 1000+ wattage? So that must be better, right?

I don’t trust Wes or anybody else to tell me what my ears do. You do as you will. I think it’s fascinating that you think that you’ll be able to convince someone else of what they perceive … aurally.

And as to this last part it literally is the most ridiculous argument you folk keep making. “Mo’ speakers ain’t better!!!”

Yeah, I don’t expect a 30 speaker system from Jensen/Emerson, to be better than a two speaker system from Sony, let alone Bowers & Wilkins. But I do expect a seven speaker system from Sony to be better than a similar caliber two speaker system from Sony. Do you understand how that works? ‘Cause I don’t think you do?

We’re not talking about apples (Lincoln) and oranges (Tesla). We’re not even talking about Granny Smith apples (2020 Tesla M3) versus Fujii apples (2020 Model S). We’re talking about the two very best high-end systems that Tesla ever put in cars that they’ve made to this point.

Pro hominem for Wes doesn’t work any better than ad hominem against sourced data compiled by AI. Or consensus from the user base. You casually ignoring that part doesn’t make it go away. Even here this thread was posted by somebody (who is not me) noting that they immediately noticed upon having a model X as a loaner that the stereo was better. Not sure how you will cope with that fact. But, … cope with that fact.

Not sure why you’re so desperate to be right. But if you think you being “right” will change my opinion (or, apparently, the majority of people who actually know both of these systems and agree with me), you’ve lost your mind.

 

[CyberTexas]

Dalton…cool down dude. Stop taking this like a personal attack on your hearing! It is not. Geez. Everyone has different hearing that respond to different frequencies.

Then you add in unpredictable assembly quality of Tesla vehicles…you mentioned rattles etc. My CT does not have rattles with any music.

Let’s talk apples to apples.

CT sound system was designed recently relatively. Model S/X sound system was design many moons ago…maybe over a decade before CT’s??

Could the CT be using different amplifiers? It does! CT uses multiple small amps at different locations specifically for the speaker(s) they are powering.

Correct me if i am wrong…X/S uses a mono-amp design To power their speakers.

Again, totally different audio system design!!

Could the CT uses different speaker size/materials? Probably so. Would that not affect quality Of sound?

Then you talk about acoustics on the interior. Smaller volume. More enclosed (CT cabin vs. X/S). Different interior materials.

And last, Wes has REAL HARDCORE AUDIO DATA from their PROFESSIONAL audio equipment that they use to tune these systems.

PS….there are members here that feel the same way about CT audio system vs. S/X.

Anyways, i have said everything already. Dalton…have a good day. This was not a shot at you.

 

[dalton108]

Dalton…cool down dude. Stop taking this like a personal attack on your hearing! It is not. Geez. Everyone has different hearing that respond to different frequencies.

Then you add in unpredictable assembly quality of Tesla vehicles…you mentioned rattles etc. My CT does not have rattles with any music.

Let’s talk apples to apples.

CT sound system was designed recently relatively. Model S/X sound system was design many moons ago…maybe over a decade before CT’s??

Could the CT be using different amplifiers? It does! CT uses multiple small amps at different locations specifically for the speaker(s) they are powering.

Correct me if i am wrong…X/S uses a mono-amp design To power their speakers.

Again, totally different audio system design!!

Could the CT uses different speaker size/materials? Probably so. Would that not affect quality Of sound?

Then you talk about acoustics on the interior. Smaller volume. More enclosed (CT cabin vs. X/S). Different interior materials.

And last, Wes has REAL HARDCORE AUDIO DATA from their PROFESSIONAL audio equipment that they use to tune these systems.

Buddy I’m calm. I am always assertive it is not a reflection of whether I’m mad or indifferent. Also, not for nothing, I’m not the one using all caps.

Do me a favor, just address this very simple distillation:

The Model S Plaid system is often described as having "recording studio-grade" clarity due to the higher speaker count and specialized noise cancellation. The Cyberbeast system is characterized by its powerful low-end performance and theater-like immersion aided by the dual-subwoofer layout. Whether one is "better" depends on whether you prioritize the technical precision and higher driver count of the Model S or the bass-heavy, cinematic output of the Cybertruck.

Again, this is Gemini’s synthesis all of the data that it has access to. But it is effectively a full restatement of my personal opinion. So, what is it that you disagree with and why?

 

[TyPope]

I’ve got thousands of miles in each (and more time listening than what would be reflected by just Miles driven in each as well). I know them intimately. I can’t speak for anybody else else’s CyberBeast. Mine is not in the same league as my Model S Plaid. It rattles, it’s muddy by comparison. I can easily perceive the additional speakers (clarity and fidelity) and wattage (raw power). I cannot peak the system in my Plaid. I’ve never experienced that before in any sound system. Ever.

If you got into both of my cars and concluded that beast was better, I would conclude that you were deaf. I don’t spend much time in my wife’s Model X, so I can’t comment on it.

LOL. That's fair. I was just commenting on how the Ai said that the MX sound system was better strictly due to "available" metrics and "your feedback". That's what it said. Then, it seemed the author said "See? Ai said it's better." No, sir. YOU said it was better and the Ai was giving a crappy response based solely on a lack of information and just your opinion. (not yours, the authors')

If an audio aficionado or calibrated equipment shows one is better than the other, that's fine. In your case, you've tested both. Great. Your MS Plaid is better. My truck does not rattle at all and the system sounds pretty good.

And, of course, the other metrics, number of speakers and wattage are pretty crappy measurements of a sound systems' overall quality. If they are quality, low distortion speakers and amps, it would sure help but it's not definitive.

My training is VERY dated, 1990 to be exact, thank you, Circuit City Audio School, and lots have changed. I've seen high quality equipment sound like total crap in cars. Just the position and firing direction of speakers makes a huge deal.

I haven't seen an instrumented comparison between the two and personally, didn't notice a big difference between the two. I didn't try to play the MX as loud as it would go. I don't typically listen that loud. I like a thumping base line and did a lot of stereo installations in my youth.

Being logarithmic, it takes twice the power to make a 3-db difference in sound (all things being equal). 3 db is about the least change a human can detect.

It takes 10x the power to make something twice as loud.

A 1,000-Watt sound system is NOT twice as loud as a 500-Watt sound system. It's twice as loud as a 100-Watt sound system.

Not required by law
Car audio manufacturers are not required by law to provide accurate wattage numbers. However, the Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) has created standards to help manufacturers rate their amplifiers under the same criteria, ensuring that consumers are provided with realistic and comparable power ratings. Despite these efforts, many manufacturers still focus on peak power ratings instead of RMS power ratings, which is the continuous average power expected from the amplifier.
The FTC's 2024 Amplifier Rule aims to tighten transparency and ensure that manufacturers test their amplifiers across the entire audible spectrum, from 20 Hz to 20 kHz, with a strict limit of no more than 1% total harmonic distortion (THD) at any point. This rule is designed to provide consumers with better information about their gear and to prevent misleading marketing practices.
It is crucial for consumers to research and verify the wattage ratings of car audio amplifiers, especially when purchasing from lesser- known brands, to ensure they are getting a product that meets their expectations and provides the performance they need.

Just saying I wish they were held accountable back in my day. An Alphine (yes, an Alpine knock off) 1,000-Watt stereo (without an external amp even) doesn't compare to the Alpine 100-Watt system. When you sold systems, misinformation was the challenge.

 

[dalton108]

LOL. That's fair. I was just commenting on how the Ai said that the MX sound system was better strictly due to "available" metrics and "your feedback". That's what it said. Then, it seemed the author said "See? Ai said it's better." No, sir. YOU said it was better and the Ai was giving a crappy response based solely on a lack of information and just your opinion. (not yours, the authors')

If an audio aficionado or calibrated equipment shows one is better than the other, that's fine. In your case, you've tested both. Great. Your MS Plaid is better. My truck does not rattle at all and the system sounds pretty good.

And, of course, the other metrics, number of speakers and wattage are pretty crappy measurements of a sound systems' overall quality. If they are quality, low distortion speakers and amps, it would sure help but it's not definitive.

My training is VERY dated, 1990 to be exact, thank you, Circuit City Audio School, and lots have changed. I've seen high quality equipment sound like total crap in cars. Just the position and firing direction of speakers makes a huge deal.

I haven't seen an instrumented comparison between the two and personally, didn't notice a big difference between the two. I didn't try to play the MX as loud as it would go. I don't typically listen that loud. I like a thumping base line and did a lot of stereo installations in my youth.

Being logarithmic, it takes twice the power to make a 3-db difference in sound (all things being equal). 3 db is about the least change a human can detect.

It takes 10x the power to make something twice as loud.

A 1,000-Watt sound system is NOT twice as loud as a 500-Watt sound system. It's twice as loud as a 100-Watt sound system.

Not required by law
Car audio manufacturers are not required by law to provide accurate wattage numbers. However, the Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) has created standards to help manufacturers rate their amplifiers under the same criteria, ensuring that consumers are provided with realistic and comparable power ratings. Despite these efforts, many manufacturers still focus on peak power ratings instead of RMS power ratings, which is the continuous average power expected from the amplifier.
The FTC's 2024 Amplifier Rule aims to tighten transparency and ensure that manufacturers test their amplifiers across the entire audible spectrum, from 20 Hz to 20 kHz, with a strict limit of no more than 1% total harmonic distortion (THD) at any point. This rule is designed to provide consumers with better information about their gear and to prevent misleading marketing practices.
It is crucial for consumers to research and verify the wattage ratings of car audio amplifiers, especially when purchasing from lesser- known brands, to ensure they are getting a product that meets their expectations and provides the performance they need.

Just saying I wish they were held accountable back in my day. An Alphine (yes, an Alpine knock off) 1,000-Watt stereo (without an external amp even) doesn't compare to the Alpine 100-Watt system. When you sold systems, misinformation was the challenge.

Circuit City Audio School? Dude, you’re a fucking legend!! NICE!!!!!!

 

[CyberTexas]

Buddy I’m calm. I am always assertive it is not a reflection of whether I’m mad or indifferent. Also, not for nothing, I’m not the one using all caps.

Do me a favor, just address this very simple distillation:

The Model S Plaid system is often described as having "recording studio-grade" clarity due to the higher speaker count and specialized noise cancellation. The Cyberbeast system is characterized by its powerful low-end performance and theater-like immersion aided by the dual-subwoofer layout. Whether one is "better" depends on whether you prioritize the technical precision and higher driver count of the Model S or the bass-heavy, cinematic output of the Cybertruck.

Again, this is Gemini’s synthesis all of the data that it has access to. But it is effectively a full restatement of my personal opinion. So, what is it that you disagree with and why?

You are using AI chatbox that takes info from websites, forums, Reddit, google searches, etc to bolster your argument. None of them have access to professional audio data from manufacturer(s).

VS.

Wes, Tesla audio equipment, and Tesla audio data.

You forgot to use Chinese DeepSeek in your answer! You miss one!

I will let the rest of the users decide which source is legit. You know my view.

 

[dalton108]

You are using AI chatbox that takes info from websites, forums, Reddit, google searches, etc to bolster your argument.

VS.

Wes, Tesla audio equipment, and Tesla audio data.

You forgot to use Chinese DeepSeek in your answer! You miss one!

I will let the rest of the users decide which source is legit. You know my view.

So, you have data that suggests that more owners of both vehicle vehicles think the CT is better? If you do, I’d love to see it. If you’re going to just stick with pro hominem from Wes let’s go with what he actually said:

“… number of speakers is not the best metric, just the easiest to quantify. It’s more about distribution (sound stage) and actuator sizing (covering the frequency spectrum).”

It’s a generic truism and there’s no reference to the model S plaid’s 22 speakers versus the 15 in the CT. He makes no statement regarding how the sound stage in the Model S compares to that of the CT or any other
relevant physics as it pertains to the two vehicles/systems. He never said it wasn’t a metric and his statement clearly leaves open the possibility that it could matter given other factors that need to be considered. Kindly direct me to where he has considered those factors and expressly opined S Plaid v. CT

VS. Users across various forum and those who have commented publicly generally prefer the plaid. And, since I’m not arguing for the rest of the world the most important thing as I’ve said— I can hear the additional seven speakers loud and clear.

“I’ve put many miles on the base truck and the sound system is on par with 3 & Y and above most non-tesla vehicles I’ve benchmarked (even those that claim 30+ speakers).”

Fuji apples v. Granny Smith apples . He’s comparing the base CT to some unstated and therefore unknown trim of the 3 & Y and then, apples v. hammers … “most non-Teslas.” So, does that include Yugos and Rolls-Royces?

“The Cybertruck premium sound system is just next level (I haven’t heard a better OEM package).”

You would go to the bank and try to cash this check for the amount of, “the 2024 Cybertruck sounds better than the Model S Plaid.”

Nothing about that statement begets that conclusion. Setting aside puffery from a guy who has a new product to sell, on its face the statement is amenable to the interpretation that they are equal at the bare minimum. They are not in my experience, because the plaid trounces the CT.

But, you thinking that you’ve won this argument based on the strength of this evidence? Well, no.

Beyond that, I don’t know that it’s an argument that’s winnable. There is no accounting for taste.

Either way. I accept your surrender.

 

[TyPope]

Circuit City Audio School? Dude, you’re a fucking legend!! NICE!!!!!!

I warned it was dated. It was a 2-day course on radio electronics and audio training. No installation training there. I sold radios but did not do installations for Circuit City.

Like I said, "Back in my youth."

My college degrees have been in things that make MUCH louder booms. LOL

 

[BuzzBasswood]

Last I’ll say about it until somebody reignites this thread again several months from now. Here’s a synopsis/synthesis from Grok:

Prompt: “Which is better the sound system the 2023 model S plaid or the 2024 cyberbeast?”

The sound system in the 2023 Tesla Model S Plaid is generally considered better overall than the one in the 2024 Cybertruck Cyberbeast (or any Cybertruck trim, as audio hardware is the same across them). [Pretty sure that the RWD and the new 60 K trim do not have the same audio hardware but this is not germane to the rest of the analysis.]

Here’s a direct head-to-head comparison based on official specs, detailed teardowns, reviews, and owner feedback:

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[Table it produced. Not going to clean this up or worry about formatting it. I’ve just put it here for transparency/completeness. This is just a full copy and paste from Grok’s output.]

Key Specs
Feature
2023 Model S Plaid
2024 Cybertruck Cyberbeast
Winner
Total Speakers/Drivers
22
15 (including 2 dedicated subwoofers)
Plaid
Total Power
960 watts (officially published)
Not published (estimated lower; distributed 48V amps)
Plaid
Subwoofers
1 × 8” in trunk
2 × 8” under rear seat
Cybertruck (bass quantity/impact)
Key Drivers
Complex array: multiple 8”/6” woofers, 3” mids, 1-2” tweeters across dash, doors, A-pillars, headliner, rear shelf
3×4” dash mids, 2×1” A-pillar tweeters, 2×8” front doors, 2×4” rear doors, 2×4” headliner mids + dual 8” subs
Plaid (more tweeters/mids for clarity & imaging)
Tesla Description
“Studio-quality sound” with 22 speakers, 960W, advanced sound insulation
“Tesla-engineered, studio-quality sound” with 15 speakers, 2 subs, distributed amps
Tie
Notable Features
Immersive Sound mode, active noise reduction (in some contexts)
Strong immersion in large cabin, very loud max volume
Plaid (refinement)

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Why the Model S Plaid Wins for Most People

• More speakers and higher power give it superior clarity, wider soundstage, better separation of instruments/vocals, and overall refinement. Detailed layouts (e.g., dedicated tweeters in multiple locations, multiple mid-range drivers) create a more “recording studio-grade” experience, as Tesla advertises.

• Professional reviews (e.g., from audio-focused sites) often call the refreshed Model S Plaid one of the best-sounding Teslas ever, competing with high-end luxury systems in balance and fidelity.

• Owner comparisons from forums (Cybertruck Owners Club, Reddit, Tesla Motors Club) are consistent: people who have driven both (or had Plaid loaners while owning a Cybertruck) overwhelmingly say the Plaid sounds noticeably better — more detailed, no rattles, higher fidelity. Comments like “the Model S Plaid blows my Cyberbeast out of the water — it’s not even close” are common.

Where the Cybertruck Cyberbeast Shines (and Why Some Prefer It)

• Dual 8” subwoofers deliver more visceral, room-filling bass than the Plaid’s single sub — great for EDM, hip-hop, movies, or feeling the rumble in its larger cabin.

• The 48V architecture with distributed amplifiers allows efficient, high-output performance without traditional wiring limits. Many reviewers and YouTubers call it “mind-blowing” or “immersive” right out of the box, especially for loud playback or theater-like movie watching.

• The ultra-quiet cabin (360° acoustic glass) helps the system shine at lower volumes.
Bottom Line

• Choose the 2023 Model S Plaid if you prioritize balanced, high-fidelity, audiophile-grade sound with excellent imaging and clarity (most critics and cross-shoppers agree it’s the winner).

• The 2024 Cyberbeast is still excellent and may feel more impactful for bass-heavy content or sheer volume in its truck environment — but it doesn’t match the Plaid’s speaker count, published power, or refined detail according to direct comparisons.

Both are among the best factory EV audio systems available, with no aftermarket needed for 95% of listeners. If you’re deciding between vehicles, test-drive both with your own music (Tesla’s app lets you stream high-quality sources easily). The Plaid edges it out on pure sound quality.

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Same prompt; Gemini’s conclusion:

The Model S Plaid system is often described as having "recording studio-grade" clarity due to the higher speaker count and specialized noise cancellation. The Cyberbeast system is characterized by its powerful low-end performance and theater-like immersion aided by the dual-subwoofer layout. Whether one is "better" depends on whether you prioritize the technical precision and higher driver count of the Model S or the bass-heavy, cinematic output of the Cybertruck.

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Same prompt; ChatGPT 5.2’s output:

Short answer: the 2023 Tesla Model S Plaid has the better sound system compared to the 2024 Cyberbeast (Cybertruck).

Why:

• The 2023 Model S Plaid comes with a 22-speaker audio system rated at ~960 W and features like active noise cancellation integrated into a very quiet cabin — this contributes to both measured output and perceived clarity/immersion.


• The 2024 Cybertruck (including the Cyberbeast trim) has a 15-speaker premium audio system. Tesla has not published a comparable wattage figure or advanced ANC capability for it, and independent commentary suggests it’s solid but not in the same spec class as the Plaid system.


Bottom line: On objective spec count and published output, the Plaid’s audio system outperforms the Cyberbeast’s system.

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I have owned both for over 2 years now and Gemini absolutely nailed it. The grok and Chat GPT statements are fairly worthless.

 

[dalton108]

I have owned both for over 2 years now and Gemini absolutely nailed it. The grok and Chat GPT statements are fairly worthless.

I don’t agree that the other two are useless, but I entirely agree that Gemini is by far the best and ultimate matches most closely to my personal experience.

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