Women sues Tesla claiming Cybertruck crash caused by FSD (video). Musk responds & owners test with their own FSD

[CyberGus]

In my experience, disengaging FSD leads to full regen almost immediately, with hard deceleration.

The video shows that vehicle does not seem to slow much, if at all. The 4 seconds of travel after disengagement would not be enough to completely stop, but the impact speed implies the throttle was being applied.

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[Pops]

Excellent point. She was driving the entire time.

@CyberJustice post is incorrect, Elon confirmed she disengaged just 4 seconds before the crash. The video has almost 9 seconds of driving before the crash. He might consider editing it with the correction, a lot of people are seeing it and assuming its true.

 

[pricedm]

He did it on V14. I'm not saying FSD was at fault, but his test was dumb and a completely different stack and version of FSD.

Why is this test "dumb?" Note ramp speed limit sign = 15 mph.

@JCChristopher is using FSD and supervising the vehicle. Video here:

 

[Pops]

Why is this test "dumb?"

The test is dumb because:
* Different Car (Model Y has the best FSD experience)
* Different FSD version
* Done much later after more AI model training
* Done after more vehicle feedback and user feedback

 

[Pops]

Personally I do not think a jury will side with her from what I saw in the video. But I do see her version of events being possible. In the video the part were FSD was driving it appeared to be going too fast for the upcoming sharp turn. She took over 4 seconds before the crash, but failed to make the needed corrective actions, if they were even possible at that point. It might have been too late.

This has always been my problem with FSD never carrying any fault. When driving there is always a point of no return where an accident is unavoidable. The window from safe driving to point of no return can be as small as 0.5 second, but normally is it much longer.

Imagine you are driving down a mountain road with hairpin turns. In the middle of those turns if the wheel would go straight or even turn out, it passes the point of no return almost instantly. You would go over the center line into a car or slam into the guard rail in less than 1 second.

 

[TruckDaddy]

She literally has to convince a jury that she's dumb enough to not know where the brake is or how to use it. And Tesla has all of the telemetry data down to tenths of a second. My bet she was pushing the accelerator, and hoping for a payout:
"I don’t normally hit 85° turns at 48 mph, but when I do my foot is pushing for more speed, and holding the steering wheel straight ahead."

 

[JackCypher]

It may have been an inadvertent disengagement. While in FSD I tend to pull my feet back from the pedals, which raises my knee enough to bump the squircle as it turns. I'll move my leg out of the way of course, but a hard enough bump on the squircle will disengage FSD (in the middle of a turn, no less).

Since I'm supposed to be supervising, I always place my hands on the wheel during a complex maneuver... such as high-speed cornering within Jersey barriers.

I rate this accident as "operator error"

Agree: I do the same, Hands off the wheel, but close to the wheel in normal situations. But always in close quarters, merging and sharp road turns and transitions I will have a hand on the wheel for sure to intervene if FSD cant adapt.

I do recall earlier FSD could NOT handle the elevated single lane overpass of the California 91 East bound to 15 North bound. Very, Very similar road to the video presented.

I had the FSD simply *ding* and disable as the elevated single lane exchange curved left going about 5o mph. I simply took over at that point.

 

[Bridgeboy69]

emotional weakness to accept responsibility

It is likely greed for money more than emotional weakness...

 

[jeffrey2z]

Article https://www.foxbusiness.com/technol...ck-nearly-drive-mom-baby-off-overpass-lawsuit

A Texas woman is suing Tesla for a million dollars, claiming her Cybertruck crashed while it was in self-driving mode.





Musk responds:

Musk has now responded directly to those claims, saying on X that internal data shows Autopilot (or FSD, as Autopilot has never been available on the Cybertruck) was disengaged 4 seconds before impact.

“Logs show driver disengaged Autopilot four seconds before crashing,” Musk said, adding, “As anyone knows who uses it, that video is not how Autopilot drives.”

According to Musk’s comments, the vehicle was under full manual control during the critical moments leading up to the collision, from around this frame in the video.

This detail is significant, as it directly challenges the central claim in the lawsuit—that the Cybertruck was operating autonomously when it veered off course.

In the footage, the Cybertruck initially appears to follow the curve of the overpass before abruptly continuing straight, and perhaps even accelerating into the barrier, which could indicate driver confusion or a delayed reaction.

The plaintiff’s legal team maintains that the system failed and that the driver attempted to regain control too late to avoid the crash. The lawsuit also alleges Tesla misrepresented the capabilities of its driver-assistance technology and failed to implement sufficient safety redundancies.

While Musk posted his comments on X, Tesla has not formally responded to the lawsuit, and the case remains in its early stages. The case will likely continue, and as more telemetry data becomes available through discovery, a clearer picture of what happened in the moments before the crash is likely to emerge. - (via Drivetesla)

Does anybody in this thread live in the area and can replicate it with a cyber truck in FSD. I’m in Michigan and it’s a little far for me. But that will go a long way towards calming the FUD. I know somebody did it in a model S and the FSD performed perfectly.

 

[ÆCIII]

Does anybody in this thread live in the area and can replicate it with a cyber truck in FSD. I’m in Michigan and it’s a little far for me. But that will go a long way towards calming the FUD. I know somebody did it in a model S and the FSD performed perfectly.

You should've just scrolled through the thread a little more ...

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...y-fsd-video-musk-responds.55773/post-30785907

(Update) @jeffrey2z has a point because the link above shows a test only with a Model Y and not the same FSD version. Need to replicate conditions with the same vehicle and same FSD version/build.​

-ÆCIII

 

[Zane Edwards]

You mean (Supervised). Only approved robotaxis are (Unsupervised) right now.
-ÆCIII

ah YES.....wishful thinking....close but not yet there!

 

[jeffrey2z]

You should've just scrolled through the thread a little more ...

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...y-fsd-video-musk-responds.55773/post-30785907

-ÆCIII

You should've just scrolled through the thread a little more ...

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...y-fsd-video-musk-responds.55773/post-30785907

-ÆCIII

They didn’t use a cyber truck though. Someone needs to do it with the bigger truck.

 

[wildgrizzly]

USER ERROR...

 

[Gigahorse]

This is why Tesla FINALLY put FSD data (speed, blinkers, pedal inputs) into footage. Yes they have the data but that info kills junk stories and claims like this before they get off the ground, and more importantly highlights when there IS a problem with FSD.
Full disclosure and transparency are key and I am glad Tesla finally put that data into the footage.

 

[W4lter]

They didn’t use a cyber truck though. Someone needs to do it with the bigger truck.

Yea, its apples to oranges. For the record I dont believe this was an FSD failure, but 13.X on the cybertruck wasnt great and COULD have done something like this. I had a rented cyberbeast for a week and there were two crazy incidents on V13. Took a roundabout and FSD gunned it while going around (super scary given the power in the cyberbeast) and halfway through a left turn it started to go right and head into oncoming lanes.

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