I just got a speeding ticket in FSD Hurry Mode for 9 miles over.

[georgek43]

Obviously I disagree with that, what is wrong with you? If it met the needs of the FSD Team working on full unsupervised, they would put that option in there. They removed it so obviously it doesn't meet their needs.

Comprende?

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[TexasRaider]

It’s always been interesting to me that we don’t have a more incremental control over the speed while on FSD. Especially since the illegal nature and risk of a speeding ticket.

 

[Alphamax]

It doesn't matter how safe FSD is, it has to give the driver the ability to set a maximum speed. Until Tesla starts paying the speeding tickets, it doesn't matter how safe FSD thinks it is driving. In NC, speeding over 80 MPH can result in automatic license suspension.

Personally, I'd like to see options for at least maximum speed and maximum offset.

I agree. As "Supervisors" of THIS software, we need the proper tools to supervise it. The tools Tesla has provided with THIS software is woefully inconsistent, unpredictable and inadequate. The purpose of automation is to reduce workload. This current version of software does just the opposite.

 

[HaulingAss]

I agree. As "Supervisors" of THIS software, we need the proper tools to supervise it. The tools Tesla has provided with THIS software is woefully inconsistent, unpredictable and inadequate. The purpose of automation is to reduce workload. This current version of software does just the opposite.

The purpose of automation in general is to reduce workload. However, Elon has long made it clear that FSD Supervised is simply the necessary stepping stone to the primary goal of Unsupervised FSD, all users of FSD Supervised are helping to train the system so it can reach Unsupervised. Those who chose to do so can participate.

As a Supervised system, Tesla has provided all the tools necessary to safely supervise it, specifically, it can be disabled the instant it's not behaving in a manner consistent with safety. That would include inappropriate speeds. There are multiple ways to instantly disengage, from pressing the button on the steering wheel, to tapping the brake, to turning the steering wheel.

Nowhere did Tesla ever say you would be able to pick the method of supervision, just that a human can always take full control. If you don't like FSD Supervised, then don't buy it and don't use it. It's a work in progress and the goal is the quickest progress possible (towards Unsupervised FSD). Individual users don't get to pick how the development program lets you supervise it.

 

[HaulingAss]

Are you a Tesla employee ?

Of course not, I'm simply using common sense and recognizing what Tesla has already told us. I find it astonishing the level of entitlement some people display. The way some people think they have purchased the right to direct the details of how the system is developed, ignoring the obvious fact that that right was never granted to them. Why do they feel entitled to direct the development of FSD when all they have been granted is the ability to participate on a user level?

If you don't like the speed at which FSD Supervised is driving, you have three options:

1) Use a different driving mode of the five available.
2) Encourage it to drive faster by pressing the accelerator a bit.
3) Disengage.

If it's an immediate safety issue, only use option 3. Sure, you may wish you had more options, but it's the FSD Development Team gets to decide which options are most conducive to the end goal, Unsupervised Autonomy (ASAP). This has always been the situation. Either come along for the ride, or don't.

 

[Beyond]

Do you disagree on this, " The option to set a top speed, irrespective of profile, would meet everyone's needs?"

As I posted before, bring back the Max Speed Control. Right scroll wheel: push right-left for speed profiles and scroll up and down for max speed. Simple.

 

[shurley1975]

I'm in mad max mode on the freeway most of the time in seattle. This thing does 80 in a 60 post cops and they don't even flinch. Maybe the stainless steel is messing up their radar?

 

[jahansolu]

The only argument I can provide to speed profiles and "Max Speed" is this:
Evidently with the European software rollout of Self-Driving, it is (clearly) possible for Tesla to allow its drivers to set a Max Speed - as governed by EU regulations. Why they removed it and why they're retroactively fighting users who would like the return of this feature: not sure.

I think Chris, from DirtyTesla, make a strong valid point about Max Speed:
Until the day where the liability falls onto Tesla themselves to pay for the speeding ticket, users should always have the choice to retain the speed profiles and set their own Max Speed.

Personally, not having Max Speed option doesn't bother me as long as in every scenario there's consistency.
For example, if I can bet that every time
Sloth: -5% of posted speed limit,
Chill: 0% of posted speed limit,
Standard: +5% of posted speed limit,
Hurry: +10% of posted speed limit and,
Mad Max: +20% of posted speed limit,
then its easy to adjust and predict how much faster the vehicle will be traveling in every instance.

To me the most important speed control are for School Zones. As long as it complies with that and with School Bus "Stop" request, I'm fine with it. At the end of the day, it's still the driver's responsibility to use this system in a responsible way. If you think you're going to fast, then bump it down - who cares what others think or if you think you're "slowing" down traffic, nobody cares at the end of the day... until they honk.

 

[jahansolu]

I'm in mad max mode on the freeway most of the time in seattle. This thing does 80 in a 60 post cops and they don't even flinch. Maybe the stainless steel is messing up their radar?

Fun Fact: Perhaps you might have a point with the stainless steel argument with K-Band (which is the "old" radar system). However for speed traps, cops use laser guns which they are trained to point at the license plate of the vehicle for proper speed reading.
The more you know

 

[TexasDev]

I'm in mad max mode on the freeway most of the time in seattle. This thing does 80 in a 60 post cops and they don't even flinch. Maybe the stainless steel is messing up their radar?

Most of the time cops don't care if you are over if you are going with traffic.
I pass many cops 20 over, but it depends on the scenario. In a small town I don't go 5 over.

 

[cyberstocker]

Dude gets a speeding ticket, blames vehicle software. Haha

 

[Limes2]

Dude gets a speeding ticket, blames vehicle software. Haha

I know right! The Cybertruck is the most visible and noticeable vehicle on the road. It sticks out and makes people look at it. Probably more so than a loud, red sports car.

 

[devdrone6]

Of course not, I'm simply using common sense and recognizing what Tesla has already told us. I find it astonishing the level of entitlement some people display. The way some people think they have purchased the right to direct the details of how the system is developed, ignoring the obvious fact that that right was never granted to them. Why do they feel entitled to direct the development of FSD when all they have been granted is the ability to participate on a user level?

If you don't like the speed at which FSD Supervised is driving, you have three options:

1) Use a different driving mode of the five available.
2) Encourage it to drive faster by pressing the accelerator a bit.
3) Disengage.

If it's an immediate safety issue, only use option 3. Sure, you may wish you had more options, but it's the FSD Development Team gets to decide which options are most conducive to the end goal, Unsupervised Autonomy (ASAP). This has always been the situation. Either come along for the ride, or don't.

I agree with most that you have said in this thread. The goal of full automation in driving means even profiles will go away eventually - either you drive or FSD does. Everything we are seeing as options are just temporary and people that agree to use FSD right now need to understand that we are the testers/learning models for the FSD AI.

 

[HaulingAss]

I agree with most that you have said in this thread. The goal of full automation in driving means even profiles will go away eventually - either you drive or FSD does. Everything we are seeing as options are just temporary and people that agree to use FSD right now need to understand that we are the testers/learning models for the FSD AI.

It's possible that some form of driving profile will remain even after Unsupervised drops, simply to satisfy user preference (ride comfort) or maybe let it know you're in a hurry or it's an emergency (woman in labor, etc.). I imagine the range of driver profiles wouldn't be huge, to respect other motorists and to keep it safe.

 

[BlueLightning]

Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda. So sad.

Don’t trust AI. It lies.

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