Are there superchargers that don’t “accept free supercharging”?

[Vagis9780]

I don't understand what "white label" means in this context?

It it doesn’t say TESLA, its most likely owned by someone else. It’s a business, if a restaurant wants to draw customers, they can purchase a Tesla Supercharger unit, put their label on it. They aren’t charging you for the KW’s while you are spending money in the restaurant

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[Vagis9780]

It it doesn’t say TESLA, its most likely owned by someone else. It’s a business, if a restaurant wants to draw customers, they can purchase a Tesla Supercharger unit, put their label on it. They aren’t charging you for the KW’s while you are spending money in the restaurant

Restaurant could have agreement with Tesla to pass back the fee for KW’s charged to us Tesla owners you do not have Free Suppercharging. Again a profit generator

 

[Outdoors]

Yes, businesses can buy Superchargers from Tesla and set their own rate. They are installed and maintained by Tesla but may have third party branding. Example:

Was said perfectly in the beginning. Some just took issue with it. Ineptness or just wanting to complain. How simple to understand. If doesn't say Tesla on it, it isn't free. Yet the shape and the style confuse people because everything that has a plug that looks like my Tesla plug should be free because Elon said so when I made an agreement with him back in 2016.

What a bunch of CT people doing the CJ about something free.

 

[RobertWarren]

Here is the detail on Tesla's Destination Chargers that encourages businesses owners or multi-unit apartments to install many destination chargers instead of 1 or 2 free ones. From Grok:

Tesla Destination Charging – Paid Option
Yes — Tesla allows property owners (hotels, restaurants, etc.) with 6 or more Tesla Wall Connectors to enable paid charging through their Pay-for-Use program.
Quick Summary:
Most Destination Chargers are still free (property pays the electricity as a customer perk).
Sites with 6+ chargers can choose to charge users per kWh via the Tesla app or car screen.
You’ll see the price (if any) before plugging in.
Idle fees may also apply at busy locations.
This policy helps larger properties recover costs while keeping the chargers on Tesla’s network. Always check the specific location in the Tesla app or navigation for current pricing.

 

[Gigahorse]

So if I have free supercharging but plug into one of these, how do I get charged?

"free" at select locations

 

[hemiarch]

"free" at select locations

Right? That wasn’t my understanding when I did a complex and might I add not cheap transaction with them to gain that benefit by trading in my first foundation series.
Again, minimally impactful on me and I’m fortunate enough I can certainly afford it, but it’s the concept that I don’t like.

 

[Outdoors]

Right? That wasn’t my understanding when I did a complex and might I add not cheap transaction with them to gain that benefit by trading in my first foundation series.
Again, minimally impactful on me and I’m fortunate enough I can certainly afford it, but it’s the concept that I don’t like.

Minimally impacted but a mouse is still a mouse. I think the sound of the mouse is similar to cheap cheap. Similar size.

 

[hemiarch]

Minimally impacted but a mouse is still a mouse. I think the sound of the mouse is similar to cheap cheap. Similar size.

Still haven’t blocked me? Haha. I’m gonna start thinking this is some weird crush. You keep saying you’re going away but you just won’t.
It’s hard living with that much hatred in your heart. Heavy burden. Keeps you from thinking reasonably about anything and makes you a poor conversation partner.

 

[Cyberfamily]

Still haven’t blocked me? Haha. I’m gonna start thinking this is some weird crush. You keep saying you’re going away but you just won’t.
It’s hard living with that much hatred in your heart. Heavy burden. Keeps you from thinking reasonably about anything and makes you a poor conversation partner.

You boys need to cuddle. One is blind. The other is a Ram banging head against a wall.

 

[TeslaKen]

So if I have free supercharging but plug into one of these, how do I get charged?

If you'd like to get in on this I have a buddy who has already set up some private superchargers (they still show up on your Tesla screen) and he is looking for more investors. These are very profitable as you can probably imagine, especially since they are newer faster chargers than typically exist in many areas. In this way Tesla chargers are built out faster than if just Tesla was doing it themselves. Tesla create a pack, for example the 4-pack shown in a picture earlier in this topic. Everything that is needed is installed and pre-configured, Tesla ships it out, you drop it into place and hook it up and get started making $ as people show up to charge. I'll send you a DM about it if you want to know more.

 

[TeslaKen]

So now it’s, mostly-free unlimited supercharging. You changed the rules mid-contract fuckers.
Bet you when they are spacing the superchargers on a map it won’t matter which are Tesla owned and therefore free and which are purchased by someone and therefore not.
It’s a minimally impactful thing for me honestly, but it’s another example of how you can’t trust a thing that Tesla tells you because it could change at any moment. The FSD language is also quite different now than when I bought it for the first time for $3k in 2016.
I bought it thrice more after that always knowing that the “lifetime” and “future hardware and software” and “autonomous” part was bullshit.
I think there were however a lot of people who didn’t clearly understand the arrangements were changeable by Tesla at any time.
They should be footing the bill for people with free unlimited lifetime supercharging who plug into these if they are going to require payment to the owner.
There is an almost zero chance this is happening but they are probably at risk of some legal beagle taking them to court over it.
What if they changed their business model to all third party owned superchargers? They are no longer required to give me free supercharging?

If you try to plot a route to a 3rd party supercharger you will get a notification as to whether or not your free supercharging will be accepted at that 3rd party charger. If it is, then go ahead and charge there, if it isn't, then choose a Tesla owned charging station where you know it will be free.

Let's use a gas example. Let's say you have free gas for life at Phillips 66. You pull into BP and fill up but BP charges you are you going to complain because BP didn't honor your deal with Phillips 66? Your deal was with Phillips, likewise your deal for free supercharging is with Tesla, not with independently owned superchargers.

Here's another analogy. You bought a Series 1 Tesla Roadster. Something goes wrong with a body panel, let's say it delaminates. Are you going to look to Tesla for repair or Lotus? Tesla, right? They sold you the car, your contract is with them even though the body for the Series 1 Tesla Roadster was made by Lotus and shipped to Tesla for a drivetrain to be installed. You still bought the car from Tesla, contract and warranty through Tesla.

Hope that helps.

 

[hemiarch]

To the various explainers and name callers out there, I realize it’s completely incomprehensible that someone can understand your arguments and the logic behind them and still not agree with you but this is the case for me.
You’ll just have to live with the fact that I’m an unconvinceable blind cheapskate who doesn’t understand how business works as well as you.
I know where you all are coming from and don’t need more variations of a remedial explanation but in my opinion the free unlimited supercharging agreement with Tesla materially changes when they change how superchargers which are part of the network are funded and now sold.
Sadly for you, the world you live in is full of entitled bozos just like me that you actually have to convince and not bully into agreeing with you.

 

[That Beast Mode]

There is one important thing missing here - Tesla IS profiting from the sale of these supercharger units first by selling them and then by taking a cut. They also have an obligation to fulfill to those who have free supercharging - I am not one of those but I wish I was. By selling units to Jim from Jim's Groceries, supercharging and taxidermy, they are essentially profiting and cutting a benefit they are the ones who offered to begin with simultaneously. They will also not build a Tesla branded station next door because there is no need, that need is met for the area by Jim. What they should be doing is putting a stipulation that states - We will sell you these SC units, for the select few who have free SC and use your station, you will charge us for that customer at what you pay per KW for electricity. The only real loss to Jim at that point is someone taking up a stall for 20 minutes, the wear and tear is already Teslas responsibility. It would essentially make it the same cost as a Tesla branded one for that transaction.

 

[Gigahorse]

Right? That wasn’t my understanding when I did a complex and might I add not cheap transaction with them to gain that benefit by trading in my first foundation series.
Again, minimally impactful on me and I’m fortunate enough I can certainly afford it, but it’s the concept that I don’t like.

Death by 1,000 cuts
Next will be premium connectivity no longer being free
More superchargers going "independent" etc

 

[TeslaKen]

There is one important thing missing here - Tesla IS profiting from the sale of these supercharger units first by selling them and then by taking a cut. They also have an obligation to fulfill to those who have free supercharging - I am not one of those but I wish I was. By selling units to Jim from Jim's Groceries, supercharging and taxidermy, they are essentially profiting and cutting a benefit they are the ones who offered to begin with simultaneously. They will also not build a Tesla branded station next door because there is no need, that need is met for the area by Jim. What they should be doing is putting a stipulation that states - We will sell you these SC units, for the select few who have free SC and use your station, you will charge us for that customer at what you pay per KW for electricity. The only real loss to Jim at that point is someone taking up a stall for 20 minutes, the wear and tear is already Teslas responsibility. It would essentially make it the same cost as a Tesla branded one for that transaction.

I am going to counter argue because it is what I do. When you bought your free supercharging enabled Tesla where does it say that you will be entitled to free supercharging at all existing superchargers AND all future superchargers? Is that in the contract? Usually the future is unknown and making promises about future performance is something that gets you into hot water with the SEC. If the car owner expects to get free supercharging at all existing stations plus any new ones established in the future then they expecting Tesla to keep giving them more free stuff, namely more free locations for free, not for what was bargained for when the car was purchased. I would be surprised if someone bought furniture at a store for 0% financing and expected that any future purchases at that store would also be at 0%. The cost of free supercharging is rolled into the price and incentives at time of purchase just like interest rate, I don't think it includes additional free benefits for as long as you live and for every car you purchase thereafter. That's not the way contracts are typically written. Again I could be wrong, I dont have the supercharging contract in front of me but I would suggest finding a copy of whatever was in the paperwork that was signed at time of purchase because those terms will govern.

Btw just to be clear I was not attacking anyone in my prior post I was merely trying yo explain how these new superchargers work.

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