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I was pretty amazed by the efficiency as well. I took a 94 mile trip and both ways I matched the efficiency claims. A feat that was never matched under the same conditions in my model Y.

I don't remember exactly what it was, maybe 387Wh/mi? It was exactly 123kwh/318 miles. I was going 76-79 for 90% of the trip.



As for the overall topic, rich rebuilds is still salty that tesla wouldn't honor his free roadster 2.0 he got with referral points. So naturally he has to come out and say how bad their best vehicle to date is.
I’ve done over 1500 miles with 90% freeway driving and the efficiency even at 70 mph is more like 400-500 Wh/mi even with elevation loss. That being said the real time prediction is pretty close. 450 Wh/mi is more typical of the open road. 350 is with traffic.
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I’ve done over 1500 miles with 90% freeway driving and the efficiency even at 70 mph is more like 400-500 Wh/mi even with elevation loss. That being said the real time prediction is pretty close. 450 Wh/mi is more typical of the open road. 350 is with traffic.
That seems impossible after my experience. Even out of spec showed they were getting 1:1 range at 75 mph with a beast, which would be 387wh/mi. Are you sure you aren't going like 85mph most of the time? Or running in off road mode so you can force the suspension to stay high?

If you're genuinely getting 450wh/mi at 70mph on flat road without a 50mph headwind or 30F temps, there's something not correct and I would reach out to tesla service.
 

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I don't get that feeling from Simone Giertz, just that she wanted a product that's different from the Cybertruck. She doesn't need or want a full-sized truck. And there's a market for that! The long waiting lists for Mavericks and Santa Cruzes kinda proves it. Just, that end is also more price-conscious as well.

Pretty sure Simone admits they made lots of mistakes bodging together Truckla.

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It’s been a while and I could have misread it but I was turned off by her comments in Lex Fridman’s podcast where she was throwing a lot of shade at Tesla engineers.
 

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It does seem to be a pattern now that you mention it... Many seem to move from "reviews" to "i know better and here's why," over the years. Many times they're right, but when it moves into "my opinion is fact" zones, I also unsub rather quickly.
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I haven’t really noticed any benefits of steer by wire. My CT vibrates through the floor and the steering wheel above 65 mph and Tesla even looked at it, consulted engineering, claimed to replace a drive unit, and it still vibrates more than any other vehicle I own (including Rivian with AT tires and multiple Broncos/Jeeps)
I'm sorry you're having issues with your. Vibrations usually come from tires not being balanced correctly. Did they check that?

In regards to Steer by wire, have you not noticed that you don't need to go hand over hand multiple times when doing a u-turn? Or that doing a 3 point turn is effortless vs. the "work" that is required to go from one full lock one way to the other, and then back again?
 

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That seems impossible after my experience. Even out of spec showed they were getting 1:1 range at 75 mph with a beast, which would be 387wh/mi. Are you sure you aren't going like 85mph most of the time? Or running in off road mode so you can force the suspension to stay high?

If you're genuinely getting 450wh/mi at 70mph on flat road without a 50mph headwind or 30F temps, there's something not correct and I would reach out to tesla service.
I have had a wide range of efficiency figures but I don’t even like speeding in the CT because it doesn’t feel as stable as I’m used to and runs extremely noisy with a lot of vibration in the steering and in addition to that I’m usually not spending that much time on an interstate so what I’m describing is not impossible, it is entirely realistic. My average speed is generally below 60 mph with a range of fluctuation. BTW going 90-100 mph doesn’t use that much energy if you slow back down and regen so average speed is a good reflection of your aerodynamic efficiency. I have spent a lot of time with service. They claimed to have replaced a drive unit and that did not resolve vibration but on a recent trip from Denver to Moab the efficiency was about 380 something but that required a “locals” short cut that cut some interstate driving out and made it possible to reach the charger with less range anxiety and cut one of the recommended stops out. So even with coaxing and about 3000 ft of net elevation loss (because I was measuring from Edwards, CO) I still only did (I think) 387 Wh/mi.

I have a fleet of EVs and drive long distances frequently so I know what kind of average range numbers are common at varying speeds. If you’re basing what to expect on a long drive over a 94 mile trip then you’re in for a rude awakening. The navigation will make a calculation and there are many variables and sub 400 on a long stretch of open road is not realistic in my experience.
 

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I'm sorry you're having issues with your. Vibrations usually come from tires not being balanced correctly. Did they check that?

In regards to Steer by wire, have you not noticed that you don't need to go hand over hand multiple times when doing a u-turn? Or that doing a 3 point turn is effortless vs. the "work" that is required to go from one full lock one way to the other, and then back again?
What you’re describing is a function of rear steer not steer by wire. The slow speed steering input is fairly low but all modern cars are equipped with power steering so that is not the benefit of steer by wire.
 

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I have had a wide range of efficiency figures but I don’t even like speeding in the CT because it doesn’t feel as stable as I’m used to and runs extremely noisy with a lot of vibration in the steering and in addition to that I’m usually not spending that much time on an interstate so what I’m describing is not impossible, it is entirely realistic. My average speed is generally below 60 mph with a range of fluctuation. BTW going 90-100 mph doesn’t use that much energy if you slow back down and regen so average speed is a good reflection of your aerodynamic efficiency. I have spent a lot of time with service. They claimed to have replaced a drive unit and that did not resolve vibration but on a recent trip from Denver to Moab the efficiency was about 380 something but that required a “locals” short cut that cut some interstate driving out and made it possible to reach the charger with less range anxiety and cut one of the recommended stops out. So even with coaxing and about 3000 ft of net elevation loss (because I was measuring from Edwards, CO) I still only did (I think) 387 Wh/mi.

I have a fleet of EVs and drive long distances frequently so I know what kind of average range numbers are common at varying speeds. If you’re basing what to expect on a long drive over a 94 mile trip then you’re in for a rude awakening. The navigation will make a calculation and there are many variables and sub 400 on a long stretch of open road is not realistic in my experience.
Well I mean you have to stop every 150-200 miles to charge anyway so the efficiency isn't going to really get worse by much at all.

Like you I have experience with EVs, I used to put my model y into percentage and figure I got 2 miles per 1% of battery just to be sure, but now I'm going to change that math based on the much better efficiency.

As for the vibration, I recommend going to a good tire shop and having your tires balanced. Vibration isn't really normal in the way you're describing.

Also, you are completely wrong saying that going faster does not negatively impact range. Your speed is the most important factor in the aero drag equation. You lose the energy well before you slow down with regen
 

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What you’re describing is a function of rear steer not steer by wire. The slow speed steering input is fairly low but all modern cars are equipped with power steering so that is not the benefit of steer by wire.
No, I'm talking about how much you have to turn the "steering wheel". For example, in an F-150, it's around 3 complete turns of the steering wheel to go from one full stop, one way, to the other. In a Cybertruck, it's around 1. Are you sure you own one?
 


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Well I mean you have to stop every 150-200 miles to charge anyway so the efficiency isn't going to really get worse by much at all.

Like you I have experience with EVs, I used to put my model y into percentage and figure I got 2 miles per 1% of battery just to be sure, but now I'm going to change that math based on the much better efficiency.

As for the vibration, I recommend going to a good tire shop and having your tires balanced. Vibration isn't really normal in the way you're describing.

Also, you are completely wrong saying that going faster does not negatively impact range. Your speed is the most important factor in the aero drag equation. You lose the energy well before you slow down with regen
It exponentially increases, so it absolutely reduces your range the faster you go. Often times, in an EV, speeding on a long trip ends up causing you to get to your destination later than if you had just gone the speed limit, since you'll use more energy and need to stay at a fast charger longer. It really is the Tortoise and the Hare.
 

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The YouTube algorithm is favoring negative reviews over positive currently. It's not a Google conspiracy, it's just what it seems the general public is more interested in watching - videos trashing on the truck.

Whether we like it or not, the vast majority of the public does not like the Cybertruck. I'm just being real here. I don't care, you don't care, I get it - we love the truck which is why we spent so much on them. But we need to all understand that the general public isn't a fan, and YouTube reviewers are taking advantage of that and releasing videos that the general public will click and watch the most- talking shit on the Cybertruck.
 

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No, I'm talking about how much you have to turn the "steering wheel". For example, in an F-150, it's around 3 complete turns of the steering wheel to go from one full stop, one way, to the other. In a Cybertruck, it's around 1. Are you sure you own one?
Are you smoking crack? I understand what you are saying. Jesus Christ, you are insane. Chill.
 

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The YouTube algorithm is favoring negative reviews over positive currently. It's not a Google conspiracy, it's just what it seems the general public is more interested in watching - videos trashing on the truck.
This is so true.

"If it bleeds, it leads" remains true, even on the internet.

Cat videos exempted.

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It exponentially increases, so it absolutely reduces your range the faster you go. Often times, in an EV, speeding on a long trip ends up causing you to get to your destination later than if you had just gone the speed limit, since you'll use more energy and need to stay at a fast charger longer. It really is the Tortoise and the Hare.
Look, I’m not an insane fan boy like you. I have many vehicles and can be objective about them and yes, you are correct that the steer by wire does allow the turn radius to be programmed as what you described. I’m not sure if that is a feature or a bug quite yet because there are benefits to having the wheel move less especially when autopilot doesn’t function.

Just FYI my wife drove a Rivian R1T with three bikes in the bed on the same trip recently and actually drove 90 mph over a stretch to catch up to me and lo and behold she had better efficiency because the Cd on a R1T is .30 vs .34 on the CT. If you think you’re getting 2.85 mi/kwh on the freeway at 70 mph with AT tires you’re going to be disappointed when you actually drive your car anywhere with wind or mountains. I’ve put 40k miles on my Rivians and over 2k miles (almost all freeway) on my CT and had 3 SC visits so I’m up to speed on all of the deficiencies. I’m not just floating in some weird rainbow fantasy cloud here reading reviews on the internet.

There are many reasons the CT is not pulling its weight against these other cars right now. I would be a great person to ask those questions since I’ve owned about 40+ vehicles in the last 10 years but you seem to know everything already.
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