Non-FS trucks being configured with "Base Autopilot"?

[IronJoe]

I'm not here to debate the usabilty of FSD, that's being done all over this board. I personally do not use it at this stage on any of our Teslas but rely heavily on what is considered "base autopilot" on a daily basis.

Any thoughts on what Non-FS trucks will receive if they don't configure with FSD?

This Non-FS configuration (pulled this from a FB group ) says "Base Autopilot". Which, according to Tesla, includes two things:

• Traffic-aware cruise control (TACC)
• Autosteer

https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/support/autopilot

However, our CTs have only had the option of TACC (no autosteer) up until the FSD build was released.

Currently, our FS trucks with FSD enabled cannot function in this way. Has something changed? Do you think they will give our FSD trucks this option?

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[SCTesla]

AP will come at some point in the future. We don't know when, until it does the non-FS will have TACC unless they buy/subscribe to FSD.

 

[heresmycybertruck]

So current FS cybertrucks have FSD now, is there no option to use regular AP on them yet?

I don't have one yet so can't check.

 

[SCTesla]

So current FS cybertrucks have FSD now, is there no option to use regular AP on them yet?

I don't have one yet so can't check.

Correct. No AP, just FSD or TACC currently.

 

[IronJoe]

So current FS cybertrucks have FSD now, is there no option to use regular AP on them yet?

I don't have one yet so can't check.

You've got it right. Which is why it's interesting that the non-FS trucks that don't get FSD have "base autopilot" which by Tesla's own definition, includes both TACC and Autosteer.

I'd be disappointed if I were buying a non-FS Cybertruck without FSD and it can't even do what a poverty-spec optionless Model 3 can do, even though it's advertised as having Autopilot.

 

[heresmycybertruck]

You've got it right. Which is why it's interesting that the non-FS trucks that don't get FSD have "base autopilot" which by Tesla's own definition, includes both TACC and Autosteer.

I'd be disappointed if I were buying a non-FS Cybertruck without FSD and it can't even do what a poverty-spec optionless Model 3 can do, even though it's advertised as having Autopilot.

I gotcha, thanks for clarifying! I bet it comes eventually.

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

You've got it right. Which is why it's interesting that the non-FS trucks that don't get FSD have "base autopilot" which by Tesla's own definition, includes both TACC and Autosteer.

I'd be disappointed if I were buying a non-FS Cybertruck without FSD and it can't even do what a poverty-spec optionless Model 3 can do, even though it's advertised as having Autopilot.

It will have base Auto, which, like you, is all I care about. No trucks have it yet because every FS came with FSD.

 

[Woodrick]

I'm not here to debate the usabilty of FSD, that's being done all over this board. I personally do not use it at this stage on any of our Teslas but rely heavily on what is considered "base autopilot" on a daily basis.

Any thoughts on what Non-FS trucks will receive if they don't configure with FSD?

It comes with the same package that every other base Tesla has come with for years.

And AFAIK, it may not exist yet.

 

[docowen]

What is the difference between Autopilot and just activating FSD with no destination in the navigation?

 

[Woodrick]

What is the difference between Autopilot and just activating FSD with no destination in the navigation?

I believe that at this time, it's different software stacks running. With the Autopilot stack being much older than the FSD stack.
So there's a lot of things like phantom braking handling, slowing down, avoiding things that are different between the products.
And I'm not sure if Autopilot exists for the Cybertruck yet.

 

[IronJoe]

What is the difference between Autopilot and just activating FSD with no destination in the navigation?

I tried it, thinking I had been clever and had figured out a work-around. Definitely not. I engaged FSD without a destination it on a main road in my town, and with no traffic around, the car not only changed lanes by itself, it also put its turn signal on and started turning at random! With zero input from me.

I believe that at this time, it's different software stacks running. With the Autopilot stack being much older than the FSD stack.
So there's a lot of things like phantom braking handling, slowing down, avoiding things that are different between the products.
And I'm not sure if Autopilot exists for the Cybertruck yet.

I'm not necessarily advocating for bringing back the old sw stack. I'd just like to see the FSD stack "do less" - just keep in lane and manage following distance. I know nothing of Tesla's codebase but I imagine (hope) it's possible. We do know that newer Teslas have been running Autosteer on vision only for a while now, so I'd think that would be possible.

 

[Woodrick]

I tried it, thinking I had been clever and had figured out a work-around. Definitely not. I engaged FSD without a destination it on a main road in my town, and with no traffic around, the car not only changed lanes by itself, it also put its turn signal on and started turning at random! With zero input from me.


I'm not necessarily advocating for bringing back the old sw stack. I'd just like to see the FSD stack "do less" - just keep in lane and manage following distance. I know nothing of Tesla's codebase but I imagine (hope) it's possible. We do know that newer Teslas have been running Autosteer on vision only for a while now, so I'd think that would be possible.

Basic autosteer, as well as TACC. are afterthoughts for Tesla. Seriously.

They didn't exist to begin with, and Tesla succumbed to customer pressure to add them.
What did they add? The older versions of FSD growing up.
TACC was the state of the art product about 5 years ago. Unlike all of the competition's TACCs it could actually go through an intersection and stop at the light. That's pretty much the same code that runs today.
As far as lane keeping, that was the next advancement.

Tesla LIVES for FSD.

Tesla does TACC and Autopilot.

 

[IronJoe]

Oh I agree with you. And I think if FSD were good enough, no one (myself included) would be asking for the Basic Autopilot option. And it's a different experience for every person but for me, FSD isn't good enough yet. My truck has done something stupid/dangerous enough times that I've had to take over that it isn't worth the risk. So I shut it off and run with just TACC for the time being.

But new non-FS CTs that aren't forced into buying FSD have "Basic Autopilot". And as defined in Tesla's own documentation, that means TACC + Autosteer. To my knowledge our trucks don't have that ability, hence my question/speculation. I for one cannot wait to see what these non-FSD enabled trucks actually "do" when you press the right scroll wheel.

 

[Woodrick]

Oh I agree with you. And I think if FSD were good enough, no one (myself included) would be asking for the Basic Autopilot option. And it's a different experience for every person but for me, FSD isn't good enough yet. My truck has done something stupid/dangerous enough times that I've had to take over that it isn't worth the risk. So I shut it off and run with just TACC for the time being.

But new non-FS CTs that aren't forced into buying FSD have "Basic Autopilot". And as defined in Tesla's own documentation, that means TACC + Autosteer. To my knowledge our trucks don't have that ability, hence my question/speculation. I for one cannot wait to see what these non-FSD enabled trucks actually "do" when you press the right scroll wheel.

If TACC is what you want, switch it TACC.
Basic Autopilot is not here yet. It will show up between TACC and FSD on the Autopilot setting screen.

What they will "do" is exactly like every other Tesla does (with the same software release).

It's not as if there are over 5 million Teslas that basically have the same software.

 

[DJAlan2000]

I tried it, thinking I had been clever and had figured out a work-around. Definitely not. I engaged FSD without a destination it on a main road in my town, and with no traffic around, the car not only changed lanes by itself, it also put its turn signal on and started turning at random! With zero input from me.

It started making turns at random? Did you consider allowing it to keep doing so to see where it took you?

I wonder if it would just try to return you back to the place that you originally engaged it... OR MAYBE it will take you to a special 'Lair' where all the treasure is hidden!

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