NON-Foundation Series Cybertruck Now Available to Order (Price: $79,900) !!

[Balthezor]

No but it know I don't want white in an interior.

Believe me, the gray looks great... And I wanted the white because I thought that look cool. I dont care about a truck having white interior with dirt, etc. Im all about style over substance. And the grey looks cool. I do care about the cabin being darker and not having light reflect off the white. So I am happy I changed my order.

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[cyberguy123]

Sure, buy what you think fits your wants/desires/needs the best. Buy what offers the best value to you!

But I have to question anyone who thinks the Silverado is comparable to a Cybertruck. I question whether they understand what is underneath the covers. Including the covers themselves. The Cybertruck is an entirely different vehicle in terms of handling, suspension, off-road capability, nimbleness, safety, quality of electronics and software, cooling system capabilities and efficiency, durability and resistance to damage. They are not even similar vehicles, at all. And never forget how much software can affect your ownership experience in modern vehicles. Sub-optimal software can really color the entire experience. So can charger availability. Range? Not so much. Even if you take regular road trips. Available charging options matter much more than more highway range.

If I had three kids small enough to need car seats, I wouldn't hesitate to buy the vehicle engineered in a superior manner, even if I had to buy more euro-based child seats that fit easier. The Cybertruck is plenty roomy for three reasonably designed car seats and just walks away from the Silverado in practically every way and in an outsized manner.

I see you live in Central Texas. Did you know the cooling system on the Silverado causes the DCFC rate to go from 140 kW to 40 kW if you run the air conditioning while DCFCing? Check it out. This is one example of many where the Cybertruck is simply better engineered. The differences are stark and that's not hyperbole.

hey can i have your non foundation rn? if you dont plan on using it

 

[Coagulation]

Sure, buy what you think fits your wants/desires/needs the best. Buy what offers the best value to you!

But I have to question anyone who thinks the Silverado is comparable to a Cybertruck. I question whether they understand what is underneath the covers. Including the covers themselves. The Cybertruck is an entirely different vehicle in terms of handling, suspension, off-road capability, nimbleness, safety, quality of electronics and software, cooling system capabilities and efficiency, durability and resistance to damage. They are not even similar vehicles, at all. And never forget how much software can affect your ownership experience in modern vehicles. Sub-optimal software can really color the entire experience. So can charger availability. Range? Not so much. Even if you take regular road trips. Available charging options matter much more than more highway range.

If I had three kids small enough to need car seats, I wouldn't hesitate to buy the vehicle engineered in a superior manner, even if I had to buy more euro-based child seats that fit easier. The Cybertruck is plenty roomy for three reasonably designed car seats and just walks away from the Silverado in practically every way and in an outsized manner.

I see you live in Central Texas. Did you know the cooling system on the Silverado causes the DCFC rate to go from 140 kW to 40 kW if you run the air conditioning while DCFCing? Check it out. This is one example of many where the Cybertruck is simply better engineered. The differences are stark and that's not hyperbole.

Well said. I have to laugh when the Cybertruck is compared to other EV trucks. In a data comparison grid with things like range and bed length, your brain starts to trick you into thinking you’re comparing two like products. Most would think (as I originally thought prior to driving one) that the CT is similar to the lightning or Silverado, just crazy looking.

It’s just a different thing. It makes anything new feel 15 years old.

 

[CeloTru]

Decided to pick up my foundation series. Great truck very happy with tactical grey interior. They were delivering two non foundation series trucks while I was there. Both had the core wheels which look very nice. The Tesla associate said they delivered 4 non foundation series trucks so far.

 

[UtahCyberSomeday]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the order list started over and the people who ordered first on reveal day are getting the email invites.

This is what I think is happening. I reserved in the first 5-10 minutes they opened the site for reservations. Online RN calculated me around 9,000 in line

I got the email to order my Non. FS Wednesday night at 11:30 eastern.

 

[Balthezor]

This is what I think is happening. I reserved in the first 5-10 minutes they opened the site for reservations. Online RN calculated me around 9,000 in line

I got the email to order my Non. FS Wednesday night at 11:30 eastern.

Did you place your order??? YES????

 

[HaulingAss]

That's not correct for purchses in 2024. The vehicle credit must be approved through the IRS/ Dept of Treasury portal at time of purchase.
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p5905.pdf

Are you saying a re-interpretation of the rules by the IRS cannot result in the re-interpretation being applied retroactively? The link you provided seemed to be focused on getting the credit at the time of sale.

 

[HaulingAss]

hey can i have your non foundation rn? if you dont plan on using it

I may still use it. And they aren't transferable in any manner I would want to partake in.

 

[HaulingAss]

Fair statement, but coming from a Lightning, the RST is still a leap forward. I'm active on multiple truck EV forums. I'm quick to say that I'm trying to force the CT to work, but the pragmatic side of me says I'd have an easier time for my specific use case in the 400+ range vehicle.

I love the CT because I'm also a sports car guy, and the CT is definitely sportier. Everything you mentioned is a plus. Especially the tech which is a huge sales point for me. However, after living with an extended range Lightning for 10 months and 21k miles, I don't expect my range experience to improve much with the CT and that's a major concern in my use case.

That said I made the LER work, and there are some improvements with the CT on range/efficiency, so it's still in the running. Especially if winter range impact is mitigated on the CT, LER losses were brutal.

Both the Long Range Lightning and the Silverado use the same charge networks, The biggest difference between the long-distance capabilities of the Cybertruck and the SIlverado is not range, it's the quality and placement of the charge networks. I'm not sure why you think an extra hundred miles of range can fix that better than a better charging network.

Have you gone on road trips using a Tesla?

 

[Gurule92]

Both the Long Range Lightning and the Silverado use the same charge networks, The biggest difference between the long-distance capabilities of the Cybertruck and the SIlverado is not range, it's the quality and placement of the charge networks. I'm not sure why you think an extra hundred miles of range can fix that better than a better charging network.

Have you gone on road trips using a Tesla?

Can GM not use superchargers yet?

 

[UtahCyberSomeday]

Did you place your order??? YES????

Yes

 

[mongo]

Are you saying a re-interpretation of the rules by the IRS cannot result in the re-interpretation being applied retroactively? The link you provided seemed to be focused on getting the credit at the time of sale.

Didn't feel like digging for better link last night, here you go:
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/freque...nd-qualified-commercial-clean-vehicles-credit

Reporting at time of sale:
Q30. Is every new and previously owned clean vehicle sale required to be reported even if the buyer chooses not to transfer the credit? (added July 26, 2024)

A30. Yes, dealers of new clean vehicles and previously owned clean vehicles must meet the seller reporting requirements for those vehicles to be eligible for a credit under sections 30D and 25E. For eligible clean vehicles placed in service on or after January 1, 2024, the dealer must submit all reports through IRS Energy Credits Online within 3 calendar days of the date of sale. The dealer must also provide the buyer with a copy of the accepted seller report submitted to IRS Energy Credits Online within 3 calendar days of the date of submission. Commercial clean vehicle transactions do not need to be reported to IRS Energy Credits Online

Q11. If the IRS rejects the seller report submitted by the registered dealer, can I still claim the credit? (updated July 26, 2024)
A11. No. To claim the New Clean Vehicle Credit or Previously Owned Clean Vehicle Credit, the seller report for the vehicle must be accepted by the IRS. For vehicles placed in service Jan. 1, 2024, or later, the IRS will accept or reject submissions of seller reports in real-time and will notify the dealer in the event of a rejection. Buyers and dealers are strongly encouraged to obtain confirmation of a successfully submitted seller report before finalizing a sale and placing a vehicle in service. Dealers must provide confirmation of an accepted IRS Energy Credits Online seller report submission
to buyers

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Qualification:

Q7. How do I know if my vehicle is a pickup truck, van, sport utility vehicle (SUV), or other type of vehicle for purposes of determining the applicable MSRP for a vehicle? (updated July 26, 2024)
A7. A vehicle’s classification for this purpose relates to the classification describing the vehicle on the fuel economy label included as part of the window sticker, as well as the EPA Size class displayed on FuelEconomy.gov. Vehicles whose class includes “sport utility vehicle,” “pickup truck,” or “van” on the fuel economy label or on FuelEconomy.gov are considered a sport utility vehicle, pickup truck, or van respectively for this purpose and the $80,000 MSRP limit applies,
including for the following vehicle classes:
• Small Sport Utility Vehicle
• Standard Sport Utility Vehicle
• Small Pickup Truck
• Standard Pickup Truck
• Minivan
• Van
If your eligible vehicle is not in one of the classes described in the list above, the $55,000 MSRP limitation applies.
The Department of Energy hosts a buyer-friendly version of IRS’s list of eligible clean vehicles, including battery electric, plug-in hybrid, and fuel cell vehicles, that qualified manufacturers have indicated to the IRS meet the requirements to claim the New Clean Vehicle Credit on FuelEconomy.gov, including the applicable MSRP limitation.
At the time of sale, buyers are advised to obtain a copy of the seller report submitted by the dealer to the IRS containing the vehicle identification number of the vehicle being purchased, ensure there are no errors, and then confirm with the dealer that the dealer’s submission of the report through IRS Energy Credits Online was successful. IRS Energy Credits Online provides real-time confirmation of a vehicle’s eligibility using VINs provided by qualified manufacturers.

What I've been repeating:

Q13. If I place a vehicle in service in 2024 and it has battery components manufactured by a foreign entity of concern but it meets the critical mineral applicable percentage requirements for 2024, does my vehicle qualify for the $3,750 portion of the New Clean Vehicle Credit for meeting critical mineral requirements? (added Dec. 26,
2023)
A13. No, a vehicle placed in service after Dec. 31, 2023, with battery components manufactured or assembled by a foreign entity of concern is not eligible for any amount of New Clean Vehicle Credit, as statutorily provided in section
30D(d)(7)(B). If a vehicle has any battery components that were manufactured or assembled by a foreign entity of concern, then the vehicle is no longer considered a new clean vehicle and therefore is not eligible for a partial New Clean Vehicle Credit ($3,750).

 

[NotMyTruck]

This should be an interesting data point in terms of depreciation: https://carsandbids.com/auctions/KZylpLkk/2024-tesla-cybertruck-foundation-series

 

[mattb]

What I've been repeating:

I'm curious if Tesla itself has said that it's using the Chinese made parts

 

[VAF84]

Both the Long Range Lightning and the Silverado use the same charge networks, The biggest difference between the long-distance capabilities of the Cybertruck and the SIlverado is not range, it's the quality and placement of the charge networks. I'm not sure why you think an extra hundred miles of range can fix that better than a better charging network.

Have you gone on road trips using a Tesla?

I was pretty much exclusively using the Tesla charging network when away from home in my Lightning. They had the best reliability and lowest rates with a membership. You’re right, if Tesla hadn’t opened up their charging network to both Ford and GM, it would be a no brainer.

The problem in my use case is that when I’m working away from home it’s in rural areas or flyover country. In extreme situations it could require a 20+ minute trip out of the way, each way, plus downtime, for a full charge. I’d like to reduce a charging trip to once a week at most for those situations. I remember on some projects having to fill a 325mi range ICE pickup weekly. That would be a non-issue with the RST, but a stretch with the CT. I’d note that on these projects they are 6-7 day work weeks, that plays into it. I also tow 300mi+ on occasion.

No doubt the RST is an easier for all my needs, but I could make the CT work with some sacrifices, just need to decide whether I’m willing to tolerate them.

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