Non-FS trucks being configured with "Base Autopilot"?

[OldDirtyRobot]

I tried it, thinking I had been clever and had figured out a work-around. Definitely not. I engaged FSD without a destination it on a main road in my town, and with no traffic around, the car not only changed lanes by itself, it also put its turn signal on and started turning at random! With zero input from me.


I'm not necessarily advocating for bringing back the old sw stack. I'd just like to see the FSD stack "do less" - just keep in lane and manage following distance. I know nothing of Tesla's codebase but I imagine (hope) it's possible. We do know that newer Teslas have been running Autosteer on vision only for a while now, so I'd think that would be possible.

I wondered about this. I did the same thing on the freeway this weekend, but it didn't exit. It just acted like autopilot for 30 or so miles.

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[IronJoe]

I wondered about this. I did the same thing on the freeway this weekend, but it didn't exit. It just acted like autopilot for 30 or so miles.

Did it ever change lanes on you? I was shocked when my truck put on its signal and started turning with zero input from me, and no destination set.

 

[Woodrick]

Did it ever change lanes on you? I was shocked when my truck put on its signal and started turning with zero input from me, and no destination set.

That IS a feature of FSD. It does change lanes.

 

[IronJoe]

That IS a feature of FSD. It does change lanes.

That's my point, you can't use FSD without a destination as a substitute for Autopilot because it will do things you don't want it to do, like change lanes (or make a turn onto another road!) without a destination programmed in. It's not like there was a slow car ahead of me or a reason to change lanes, it just did it. I've replicated the behavior twice now. Likewise with a right-hand turn off a main road onto an arterial - zero reason for it to do that, don't know why it would, but it does.

 

[VAF84]

I haven't owned a Tesla before. Is TACC or Auto pilot the same as adaptive cruise with lane centering? Is that standard in every Tesla?

 

[Crissa]

That's my point, you can't use FSD without a destination as a substitute for Autopilot because it will do things you don't want it to do, like change lanes (or make a turn onto another road!) without a destination programmed in. It's not like there was a slow car ahead of me or a reason to change lanes, it just did it. I've replicated the behavior twice now. Likewise with a right-hand turn off a main road onto an arterial - zero reason for it to do that, don't know why it would, but it does.

It's probably just trying to find a place to park.

Same thing would happen if you ignore your horse while riding.

Well, except a horse aims for the nearest food they're thinking about.

-Crissa

 

[SCTesla]

It's probably just trying to find a place to park.

Same thing would happen if you ignore your horse while riding.

Well, except a horse aims for the nearest food they're thinking about.

-Crissa

No. People have tested it. It will just keep going down roads until you take over, turn it off, or add a destination. Elon joked that it's basically on random mode when you do that.

 

[Crissa]

No. People have tested it. It will just keep going down roads until you take over, turn it off, or add a destination. Elon joked that it's basically on random mode when you do that.

Without a destination it doesn't have a state, so no way to remember why it took the last turn.

It probably should have a state, so it isn't random.

-Crissa

 

[SCTesla]

Without a destination it doesn't have a state, so no way to remember why it took the last turn.

It probably should have a state, so it isn't random.

-Crissa

Probably. I always use a destination, where ever I'm going out of habit.

 

[tbuck]

I'm not here to debate the usabilty of FSD, that's being done all over this board. I personally do not use it at this stage on any of our Teslas but rely heavily on what is considered "base autopilot" on a daily basis.

Any thoughts on what Non-FS trucks will receive if they don't configure with FSD?

This Non-FS configuration (pulled this from a FB group ) says "Base Autopilot". Which, according to Tesla, includes two things:

• Traffic-aware cruise control (TACC)
• Autosteer

https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/support/autopilot

However, our CTs have only had the option of TACC (no autosteer) up until the FSD build was released.

Currently, our FS trucks with FSD enabled cannot function in this way. Has something changed? Do you think they will give our FSD trucks this option?

If you are driving and do not have a destination set, just activate FSD. It will engage autosteer for you - change lanes, pass slower traffic, etc. It is there - just not listed on its own.

I have been making heavy use of it since the FSD install.

 

[Crissa]

If you are driving and do not have a destination set, just activate FSD. It will engage autosteer for you - change lanes, pass slower traffic, etc. It is there - just not listed on its own.

I have been making heavy use of it since the FSD install.

According to others, it may take other turns without your input - like side roads and driveways - so this might end up being annoying.

-Crissa

 

[eswimm]

Presumably, now that Tesla is on a single stack for the Cybertruck, all they have to do is setup a table with the list of features enabled by each autopilot tier (Basic AP, Enhanced AP and FSD).

I had Basic AP in my 2018 Model 3, it included Autosteer and Traffic Aware Cruise Control. It did not change lanes at all, if you wanted to change lanes you had to disengage AP, change and re-engage. It's possible Tesla will re-define the features within each tier.

 

[IronJoe]

If you are driving and do not have a destination set, just activate FSD. It will engage autosteer for you - change lanes, pass slower traffic, etc. It is there - just not listed on its own.

I have been making heavy use of it since the FSD install.

I just got back from picking my daughter up at school, I tried it again. Twice it tried to change lanes with no traffic (always to the lefthand lane - maybe FSD likes being towards the middle of the road to see better?) and once tried to turn right at an intersection that had a left-hand turn, straight, and right-hand turn available. No idea why it wanted to turn right when I would think straight through an intersection would be the most "usual" (predictable?) path.

 

[Woodrick]

That's my point, you can't use FSD without a destination as a substitute for Autopilot because it will do things you don't want it to do, like change lanes (or make a turn onto another road!) without a destination programmed in. It's not like there was a slow car ahead of me or a reason to change lanes, it just did it. I've replicated the behavior twice now. Likewise with a right-hand turn off a main road onto an arterial - zero reason for it to do that, don't know why it would, but it does.

Listen to yourself. You can't go somewhere if you don't know where you are going.

If you want it to drive, give it some points to go to. The voice "Navigate To" is awesome. It doesn't even have to be where you are actually going, just somewhere that will cause the route to be correct.

And, at least on previous versions, FSD will generally work on straight roads, but has a tendency to go right if it thinks that the road is ending.

 

[IronJoe]

Listen to yourself. You can't go somewhere if you don't know where you are going.

If you want it to drive, give it some points to go to. The voice "Navigate To" is awesome. It doesn't even have to be where you are actually going, just somewhere that will cause the route to be correct.

And, at least on previous versions, FSD will generally work on straight roads, but has a tendency to go right if it thinks that the road is ending.

Okay, maybe I wasn't clear. Let's start from the beginning.

• CT is now capable of FSD. Yay.
• After some testing, I'm personally not comfortable with the capabilities of FSD as of this build. In my seat time it's ran over two curbs, drifted out of a lane, it doesn't keep speed up hills, and is generally way too slow making turns to keep up with traffic. (As I've said before, if/when FSD is good enough* this entire thread becomes moot.)
• "Base Autopilot" which is available standard with the cheapest Tesla (and is listed as equipped on non-FS trucks that don't purchase FSD) only does lane keeping and maintaining following distance. If you want to make a turn, you have to shut it off but it won't try to make turns for you. It's capabilities are well understood but also well-trusted. Our FS trucks don't have this feature, oddly.
• I attempted to see if FSD would behave similar enough to "Base Autopilot" if you drove around with it without a destination programmed in. It generally follows the road but also starts doing weird things. So my conclusion to this question is "No", FSD without a destination programmed in is not a good substitute for Base Autopilot.
• This suggests the need for Base Autopilot as an option on these trucks, and also begs my original question - what will non-FS trucks not equipped with FSD actually get when they press the right scroll wheel? Will they get true Base Autopilot (TACC + Autosteer)?

Of course FSD is getting better and better with each build and I'm excited for when the time comes that I can actually relax and let the truck take me somewhere. But at this time, it actually adds more stress because I'm constantly hovering over the steering wheel and brake pedal, holding my breath at every corner it takes, pressing down the gas pedal to get it up to the speed that I set, and waiting for it to do something dangerous/stupid that I have to jump in and save it from. So I'd rather it do *less*, but do it really well. And to me, that's Base Autopilot.

*I realize that "good enough" is different for each person, and depends on many variables such as driving conditions (I am up driving before the sun and FSD is pure vision-based), location (Seattle-area traffic and roads are famously challenging), and our own expectations (Speed Profile is not yet available), among other things.

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