Starlink Lights up Ukraine Internet. (PS Does this Count as Advertising?)

[Ogre]

Anything is possible, it also seems many Russian troops are not fully behind it, especially when they find out that they aren't actually liberating the country from a Nazi style government like they were told.

When you are standing there with your AK-47 and a 65 year old woman is telling you to go F* yourself, it’s kind of hard to hang onto the lie.

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[MiguelAznar]

Gotta love the sunflower seeds! Here, put them in your pockets so something grows from your dead body. That’s a meme with legs!

 

[John K]

Too much, one might say.

-Crissa

Never too much money. However, someone should jam his service at 4:20 daily.

 

[Tinker71]

When you are standing there with your AK-47 and a 65 year old woman is telling you to go F* yourself, it’s kind of hard to hang onto the lie.

I am actually proud at the world wide response. The Swiss - not neutral freezing assets, the Germans telling Russian to shove the pipeline WTSDS. Japan rejecting Russian oil, US firms selling Russian oil company stocks, Canada shutting their airspace. Heck the Governor of Utah even took all the Russian liquor out of the state liquor stores. (I think he pulled all vodka and clear stuff that looked like Vodka just because HAHA). Joe Bidden providing intelligence well in advance of the attach and you know he had a plan to sanction the hell out of Russia in the works for the last couple months. It would take a lot of coordination to freeze SWIFT transactions to just one county. Elon with the Starlink.

Let's just hope it is enough.

 

[Zabhawkin]

I am actually proud at the world wide response. The Swiss - not neutral freezing assets, the Germans telling Russian to shove the pipeline WTSDS. Japan rejecting Russian oil, US firms selling Russian oil company stocks, Canada shutting their airspace. Heck the Governor of Utah even took all the Russian liquor out of the state liquor stores. (I think he pulled all vodka and clear stuff that looked like Vodka just because HAHA). Joe Bidden providing intelligence well in advance of the attach and you know he had a plan to sanction the hell out of Russia in the works for the last couple months. It would take a lot of coordination to freeze SWIFT transactions to just one county. Elon with the Starlink.

Let's just hope it is enough.

Even China is taking a very measured response at this point.

 

[Crissa]

Even China is taking a very measured response at this point.

Yeah, they're following the banking sanctions, apparently. I guess actually shooting is still not their style, so there's that, at least.

-Crissa

 

[Ogre]

Even China is taking a very measured response at this point.

The Chinese leaders are reasonably sane. They want to dominate the world… not blow it up. Though they still have eyes on Taiwan.

How do you say “WTF Putin” in Chinese. Maybe @Cyberpark can help us out here.

 

[JBee]

Jamming satellite would normally be one of the easiest tasks given the antenna sensitivity involved with communicating to space, especially GPS which is -125dB (0.1fW) at a comparatively low 1.2GHz. Hence the need for DGPS etc to overcome atmospheric effects on accuracy. Jamming is most effective in suburban areas with higher populations where a single interference machine would block many terminals, but that is not where Starlink is designed for or predominantly used.

The distance alone in rural areas makes blocking Starlink more difficult as signals degrade with distance. Further the phased array antenna on the terminal, at a higher frequency (12GHz) is very fast at tracking satellites, and with that also attenuating RF noise through focused propagation. (Imagine RF laser beams) The satellites are also only visible for a few minutes before they hit the horizon, and the terminal tracks more than one satellite at a time which means positioning effective interference is a challenge if satellites can be anywhere in the sky. Multiple aerial jammers would be required like the good ole Prowler with 1MW of electronic interference. Now they have Growers instead. I'm sure a EMP would take out both Starlink satellites and terminals though as I doubt they are RF hardened or still use valve radios...

Overall I don't think I'd be a target worth jamming or wasting a EMP on, but who knows maybe I'm already on the blacklist for being a CT extremist.

 

[John K]

Example of companies taking action

https://www.reuters.com/business/en...t-stake-russian-oil-giant-rosneft-2022-02-27/

 

[Zabhawkin]

https://spacenews.com/spacex-shifts-resources-to-cybersecurity-to-address-starlink-jamming/

 

[Ogre]

https://spacenews.com/spacex-shifts-resources-to-cybersecurity-to-address-starlink-jamming/

I saw that. However… whatever jamming they did hasn’t proved effective enough to stop Starlink from being a huge asset. Also, they were able to work around much of the jamming programmatically with the existing receivers. They were also able to reprogram them so they work remotely. Not clear, but sounds like Starlink is a big chunk of Ukrainian communications right now.

Apparently on the first day of the war, Russian hackers wiped out the majority of Ukrainian internet with router hacks. The Starlink receivers are doing much better.

 

[Zabhawkin]

Honestly I was expecting more from the Russians. When I was doing jamming often you couldn't fix it in software because the signal was buried in so much noise that it couldn't be seen.

But I am suspecting that we have been lead to think the Russians were better than they actually were from them playing games with what I now suspect were one-off see what we can do type demonstrations. Kind of like their logistics and supply issues ham stringing everything, or their precision weapons not really being precision.

I do think Putin will eventually get so frustrated that he will nuke something even with us and NATO not getting directly involved.

 

[rr6013]

Honestly I was expecting more from the Russians. When I was doing jamming often you couldn't fix it in software because the signal was buried in so much noise that it couldn't be seen.

But I am suspecting that we have been lead to think the Russians were better than they actually were from them playing games with what I now suspect were one-off see what we can do type demonstrations. Kind of like their logistics and supply issues ham stringing everything, or their precision weapons not really being precision.

I do think Putin will eventually get so frustrated that he will nuke something even with us and NATO not getting directly involved.

Today is Monday 7 Mar 2022. Ukraine will be lucky to make it beyond Friday without this threat of nukes.

NATO is acting on application for membership to Ukraine. Poland is resupplying Ukraine. Putin is short for time to level Ukraine, then goodbye nuke power stations. Then Russia can accept withdrawal to fight another day.

Russia will keep territory gained.

 

[Crissa]

There's no likelihood of Ukraine joining NATO because a chunk of it is occupied by Russia. NATO is a defensive alliance, and inducting Ukraine would immediately bring NATO into conflict with Russia.

It also requires approval by every existing member to induct a new one. I don't know of any actual movement on their application. Finland might be added, they aren't occupied.

-Crissa

 

[Ogre]

… But I am suspecting that we have been lead to think the Russians were better than they actually were from them playing games with what I now suspect were one-off see what we can do type demonstrations. Kind of like their logistics and supply issues ham stringing everything, or their precision weapons not really being precision.

Russia was very good at decapitating the existing internet infrastructure. I think it was just completely inconceivable that someone could so effectively replace it even partially so quickly.

I do think Putin will eventually get so frustrated that he will nuke something even with us and NATO not getting directly involved.

Putin‘s hold on power is not absolute. I suspect few of the Russian’s in power have the stomach for nuclear escalation.

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