Major mistake not including charge cables with all new vehicles!

[Balthezor]

I think this is a dumb move. Our first EV was a Tesla and I used the included Mobile connector on a regular outlet for at least a year until I moved in to the new house and I splurged on a Wall connector. Not cheap btw since the price of copper is insane.

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[CostcoSamples]

I tend to agree with OP. Premium vehicle should include charge cables! But I also understand why Tesla doesn't include it (keep purchase price down).

 

[Crissa]

I don't understand waiting until you have taken delivery of an EV before obtaining a method of charging it.

You are here, hence interested.

But... The vast majority are not that engaged.

Also, most things you buy do come with their own charging cables.

I see that both Apple and civilization in general managed to survive the omission of a USB wall charger with every new iPhone, despite claims to the contrary.

Sandy is certainly a fan of the change.

That happened after market penetration was dozens of times higher and there was a healthy third-party market of chargers. 95% of their buyers or more do not have a Tesla already.

-Crissa

 

[CyberGus]

Tesla omitted the freaking turn-signal stalk from the S Plaid. At least I can buy I UMC if I want one

 

[Crissa]

I'm perplexed by the false equivalency. The statement "omission of something optional is the same as the omission of something mandatory" makes no sense to me.

How is it false, when I see it as a safety equipment on par with an airbag?

And unlike water and a blanket, you can't buy it at the corner convenience store.

So you normally throw away things which have resale value in the hundreds of dollars?

-Crissa

 

[SwampNut]

How is it false, when I see it as a safety equipment on par with an airbag?

IMO, that opinion is just crazy. Comparing something that has saved millions of lives, to something that could only in a very remote and very stupid situation be life threatening? Something that helps you against a threat that you probably can't mitigate or plan against, to something that you can just knowingly avoid having to use? Wow.

UMCs are on eBay for $250-300 and J-chargers plus a Tesla adapter run about $150. If you can afford a $50k++ car you can afford $300.

 

[jerhenderson]

yes....recycle

 

[John K]

Tesla omitted the freaking turn-signal stalk from the S Plaid. At least I can buy I UMC if I want one

Tesla also removed half the steering wheel

 

[John K]

Any manufacturer that removes any equipment traditionally included with the product and does not reduce the price of the product is perceived as a cost cutting measure to increase profit at the expense of the customer.

personal opinion, I think the removal is too soon. If charging network was more robust, then this becomes a natural evolution in all EVs.

If the unit cost is $200 now, will the vehicle price reduce by $200? I do not believe there will be a price decrease.

What I would like to see is the charging equipment options take front and center to prevent after pickup surprises to those not well versed in purchasing an EV.

 

[CyberGus]

I see it as a safety equipment on par with an airbag

If you truly believe this, I will be unable to sway your opinion on the UMC.

 

[SwampNut]

Holy crossed streams Batman. Over on the Gladiator forums they are whining about Jeep/Sirius/AT&T charging for the remote cell control, and how Ford builds it into the cost of the vehicle (they call it "free" and of course it's not). Nothing is free, let people choose.

 

[anionic1]

I hate that Tesla is looking more and more like Apple. It seems like there are types of companies that come along and they make the product great and high quality and how it should be made and they blow the world away. Then they get greedy and entitled and arrogant. They realize they are the best and they figure they deserve to make more money and they increase their cost and try to micromanage the company into efficiency perfection and then a lot of people don’t really want to work there as much and people get jaded about dealing with them.

I get that it’s kind of how businesses level up. But it doesn’t have to be that way. I have watch plenty of business owner grow and usually it gets to the point where they worked so hard and took soo much financial stress to build something that they get to a point where they want an easier road ahead. They want more profit and less risk. It’s human nature. But it’s not admirable. I don’t admire Apple by any means. They are trying to keep their edge by making the best product better and they stopped innovating in my opinion.

Tesla seems to have a lot on the horizon and they seem to be leveraging their current products to finance all that future stuff. But removing the charging cable. There is no excuse for that other than profit and that sucks. It’s like they keep trying to find ways to increase the cost even when their profit is increasing. It’s greedy. They already make record profit for their industry. I am starting to see Elon more as the car salesman that talks the talk but isn’t telling us the whole story. He makes it seem like the goal is to make EVs more affordable. But he is playing games. And don’t start with the long term maintenance cost because my 13 year old Mazda has been extremely low maintenance and at almost 190k miles I plan to gift it to my niece and she will probably get another 100k with low maintenance. It would not have been cheaper to own an EV over the life of the vehicle. Many studies confirm its not necessarily cheaper to own an EV. I thought the intent was to make EVs so insanely more financially attractive that it’s like there is no other choice. Looks like we we got the cord pulled out from under us.

 

[SwampNut]

Apple has proven time and again to cost less in the long run than the competition. In fact the largest study, by IBM, shows somewhere better than half the cost of Windows machines. Your rant is made irrelevant by your first statement. Every credible study shows it's cheaper to own an EV on average, and insanely so in certain places like my area. There are certainly a lot of media hit pieces against both Apple and Tesla.

 

[anionic1]

I tend to agree with OP. Premium vehicle should include charge cables! But I also understand why Tesla doesn't include it (keep purchase price down).

They have no interest in keeping the purchase price down. They make significantly higher profit than their competitors and they are looking for any way possible to make more profit.

 

[anionic1]

Apple has proven time and again to cost less in the long run than the competition. In fact the largest study, by IBM, shows somewhere better than half the cost of Windows machines. Your rant is made irrelevant by your first statement. Every credible study shows it's cheaper to own an EV on average, and insanely so in certain places like my area. There are certainly a lot of media hit pieces against both Apple and Tesla.

You need to do more research. Here is a link to one of the largest studies done by the us department of energy. https://publications.anl.gov/anlpubs/2021/05/167399.pdf. Go to page 144. ICE and BEVs are very close in lifetime cost and it depends a lot on the size of battery which drives up the purchase price of EVs and makes them costlier to own. Since Teslas are on the higher end of EV cost and EV costs have outpaced ICE cost over the past couple years it’s likely ICE cars are cheaper to own. Sounds like you’ve been drinking the Elon Kool-aid too.

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