350 mile range Quad Motor rumored to be 1st trim launched

[CyberGus]

Anyone with $70k in cash can afford $1k/month.

When I bought my first new car, I made the down payment with a credit card and the monthly amount was half my take-home. Most of my meals consisted of instant ramen and cool-aid, but it was totally worth it lol

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[PilotPete]

Sure, just put those goalposts anywhere.

On the topic at hand of "Range" then Cybertruck is a 100% loser to all ICE trucks. Their charge time is zero.

But I’ll compare the Tesla SuperCharger time to anyone getting gas at Costco on a weekend!

 

[CyberGus]

YMMV

literally

 

[Crissa]

Sure, just put those goalposts anywhere.

On the topic at hand of "Range" then Cybertruck is a 100% loser to all ICE trucks. Their charge time is zero.

No, their charge time is having to stand at a pump for several minutes, plus the payment.

Charging an EV only has the payment part. You can actually walk away and go pee in the interim, unlike an ICE vehicle.

This whole thread is a loss.

-Crissa

 

[BayouCityBob]

Let's do the math! I'll put a 500-mile Silverado up against a 350-mile Cybertruck.

• Journey of 1000 miles
• Range reduced by half due to towing
• Silverado stops to charge 4x
• Cybertruck stops to charge 7x
• Charge sessions take ~20 minutes

In my 1000-mile journey, I've spent an extra 1 hour in the Cybertruck. Assuming that I make this trip once a week, and my time is valued at $50/hour, then in 1 year my lost time is worth $2600.

So if Cybertruck is $60k vs the Silverado $80k, I can keep this up for about 8 years and essentially break even.

Is more range better? Sure. Does less range mean it's not a "full size pickup"? Hardly.

You make a fair point and it is an excellent example. Where it becomes a "not a full-sized pickup" is not on a highway road trip and in my experience that is not the place where the range matters anyway. Here is where I see the issue which is a real example from my last three days:

• I was doing some work in Castroville just West of San Antonio.
• I had to rent and ICE truck because my Model 3 would not haul a bed full of around 100 boxes of materials.
• A 350 mile CT would not have done the work because I would have had to stop at Flatonia to get a charge to what, 90% (takes a heck of a lot longer than 20 minutes to go to 90%)
• That gives me a best-case range of what? 255 miles on a 350 mile CT. Will my few hundred pound load (not heavy just bulky) plus the 100 degree heat on the highway, I cannot imagine more than 225 miles.
• I needed to drop up in Castroville then drive back, do some around town stuff and work there, then drive back two days later.
• The round trip from Flatonia to Castroville is 225 miles by itself. It is not something you would ever risk on a 100 degree day in a CT.
• So you need to go all the way up to North San Antonio to get to a Supercharger, which adds forty minutes onto your trip that a 400 mile CT would avoid. In fact, a round trip on the Flatonia Castroville in a 400 mile CT would take a solid hour less because you would cut 20 minutes out of charging at flatonia and 20 minutes of driving and 20 minutes of charging in North San Antonio.
• And all of this is when the vehicle is new. But as we all know, a 350 mile CT (Tesla EPA) is a 320 mile (Tesla EPA) CT by year five.
• Anyway, net-net, I probably would rent an ICE vehicle to do this trip unless the SC network fills in the gaps South of San Antonio.

So I think I will agree with you that fast charging and enough superchargers overcomes the range gap, especially if there is a meaningful price advantage. But the many, many gaps in Supercharger coverage (like the desert just on the entire southern side of America's seventh largest city, not to mention the huge gaps in rural coverage) are a real problem and they are much more difficult to work around when you are doing truck things that degrade your range in large and unpredictable ways.

 

[John K]

Rumor stated. Reaction is if facts were shared. We will all know soon and can make the best choice for our needs.

When an individual’s reservation number is ready, we all make the final decision then with available trim packages.

 

[CyberGus]

You make a fair point and it is an excellent example. Where it becomes a "not a full-sized pickup" is not on a highway road trip and in my experience that is not the place where the range matters anyway. Here is where I see the issue which is a real example from my last three days:

• I was doing some work in Castroville just West of San Antonio.
• I had to rent and ICE truck because my Model 3 would not haul a bed full of around 100 boxes of materials.
• A 350 mile CT would not have done the work because I would have had to stop at Flatonia to get a charge to what, 90% (takes a heck of a lot longer than 20 minutes to go to 90%)
• That gives me a best-case range of what? 255 miles on a 350 mile CT. Will my few hundred pound load (not heavy just bulky) plus the 100 degree heat on the highway, I cannot imagine more than 225 miles.
• I needed to drop up in Castroville then drive back, do some around town stuff and work there, then drive back two days later.
• The round trip from Flatonia to Castroville is 225 miles by itself. It is not something you would ever risk on a 100 degree day in a CT.
• So you need to go all the way up to North San Antonio to get to a Supercharger, which adds forty minutes onto your trip that a 400 mile CT would avoid. In fact, a round trip on the Flatonia Castroville in a 400 mile CT would take a solid hour less because you would cut 20 minutes out of charging at flatonia and 20 minutes of driving and 20 minutes of charging in North San Antonio.
• And all of this is when the vehicle is new. But as we all know, a 350 mile CT (Tesla EPA) is a 320 mile (Tesla EPA) CT by year five.
• Anyway, net-net, I probably would rent an ICE vehicle to do this trip unless the SC network fills in the gaps South of San Antonio.

So I think I will agree with you that fast charging and enough superchargers overcomes the range gap, especially if there is a meaningful price advantage. But the many, many gaps in Supercharger coverage (like the desert just on the entire southern side of America's seventh largest city, not to mention the huge gaps in rural coverage) are a real problem and they are much more difficult to work around when you are doing truck things that degrade your range in large and unpredictable ways.

South and West of San Antonio is inexplicably a Supercharger desert. My theory on range assumed an adequate charge infrastructure, and the lack of one can definitely make low range disqualifying.

Fortunately, this is a solvable problem. Tesla is adding a new Supercharger on average every 12 hours!

 

[mprimo]

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-cybertruck-range-610-miles-patent/

Doing some loose math, the top range might be around 700 miles. The patent photo shows 84% at 610 miles. Some of the interior screenshots during the test drives at the reveal show 21% at 152 miles.

Since the Cybertruck share architecture with the Semi which tows 81k for 500 miles with a 900kwH battery, it's possible to see a 150kwH CT towing 14K for 500 miles/700 miles unladen. 100kwH towing 350 miles/500 miles unladen.

Elon did say Alien Technology. 350 miles of range when Rivian and GM are pushing over 400 is not very Alien in my books.

my $.02 at least.

 

[BayouCityBob]

South and West of San Antonio is inexplicably a Supercharger desert. My theory on range assumed an adequate charge infrastructure, and the lack of one can definitely make low range disqualifying.

Fortunately, this is a solvable problem. Tesla is adding a new Supercharger on average every 12 hours!

It is solvable, and I am so glad Tesla is building out the network, but San Antonio far from an anomaly (somehow I think CPS has something to do with this). When I drive Houston - Jasper and back or when I drive Houston to Fayetteville Arkansas, my model 3 is at the absolute edge of its range. On a hot or cold day I have to go all the way around to Huntsville to stop at the SC in order to get back to Houston and that is in an unloaded Model 3 LR RWD EPA rated at 310 five years ago. That is because there is no SC along the 59/I69 corridor from Houston until you get all the way up to Nacogdoches. And the only SC between Dallas and Fort Smith Arkansas is Denison and the nail-biting route through Choctaw Nation to Fort Smith from Denison (lovely drive) is enough to make you seriously need some extra range.

 

[SSonnentag]

Larger battery equals a reduced battery degradation rate.

 

[Gurule92]

How is "price" not part of "competitive"?

That is how mega rich people think

 

[Gurule92]

Larger battery equals a reduced battery degradation rate.

large battery also equals same amount of range gained from fast charging in less time because of battery curve. but I wouldnt be putting off my purchase at 350 miles

 

[CyberGus]

It is solvable, and I am so glad Tesla is building out the network, but San Antonio far from an anomaly (somehow I think CPS has something to do with this). When I drive Houston - Jasper and back or when I drive Houston to Fayetteville Arkansas, my model 3 is at the absolute edge of its range. On a hot or cold day I have to go all the way around to Huntsville to stop at the SC in order to get back to Houston and that is in an unloaded Model 3 LR RWD EPA rated at 310 five years ago. That is because there is no SC along the 59/I69 corridor from Houston until you get all the way up to Nacogdoches. And the only SC between Dallas and Fort Smith Arkansas is Denison and the nail-biting route through Choctaw Nation to Fort Smith from Denison (lovely drive) is enough to make you seriously need some extra range.

You would think that "Interstate 69" would be littered with Tesla Superchargers

 

[audi2tesla]

sure.... you need to wait for 2 more year to....lol

That's fine ?

 

[FutureBoy]

YMMV

literally

Is it though?
I know we have MPG vs MPGe but that seems to only be used for comparison between ICE and EV.

In the ICE world, the main measure seems to be MPG (that's per gallon) which is pretty portable between ICE vehicles for comparison. No one focuses on the gallon capacity of the fuel tank. Probably because getting a fill up is relatively painless and not worth taking into account most of the time.

In the EV world, everyone seems to be using range on a full charge and possibly total kWh as the measure to look for.

So I guess in the EV world we could use YMeMV, but more practically it should probably be YRMV.

Am I getting too literal here?

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