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[Wolfgram]

Toyota has been saying similar things since 2016...

Believe it when you see it actually in a production vehicle (if ever). I don't think anyone is going to slip a major battery technology advancement past Tesla and their battery partners!!

 

[CyberGus]

Read a couple of articles that say porsche and toyota have developed solid state batteries that can go 800 and 900 miles on a single charge respectively with as little as 15min charge times.

Toyota has been promising extraordinary battery tech "just around the corner!" for about 10 years now. I just don't believe there are wolves anymore, just STFU and ship the damn battery, then we can talk.

 

[Crissa]

The big thing is... don't compare potential batteries to existing batteries. You can buy existing batteries. You can't buy potential batteries.

Is Tesla falling behind? They're actually building new batteries, and adding new technology into each generation of cells.

Toyota and Porsche have fewer total EVs on the road than Tesla sold in one quarter last year.

-Crissa

 

[Don Kedick]

The company that said BEV is not the way to go and that hydrogen is better or a PHEV. Yeah they got the battery tech coming out any minute now.

 

[FutureBoy]

You can't buy potential batteries.

Thought the whole point of a battery was to store potential.

 

[kbolt]

The big thing is... don't compare potential batteries to existing batteries. You can buy existing batteries. You can't buy potential batteries.

Is Tesla falling behind? They're actually building new batteries, and adding new technology into each generation of cells.

Toyota and Porsche have fewer total EVs on the road than Tesla sold in one quarter last year.

-Crissa

Elon said that they have battery improvements on the 4680 cells for the CT that will have a 10% energy gain than the current 4680 cells. So if any other company can do better than 10% improvement that would be great for everyone.

 

[Cyberman]

Thought the whole point of a battery was to store potential.

'Zactly. But the point of a potential battery is to steer interest toward a pipe dream that may or may not happen.

 

[jerhenderson]

Porsche and Toyota have nothing.

 

[Jimbo Ringo]

Read a couple of articles that say porsche and toyota have developed solid state batteries that can go 800 and 900 miles on a single charge respectively with as little as 15min charge times.

They talk the talk (propaganda) while Tesla walks the walk. A. Battery has to perform on the road and take user charging rates. Only after substantial testing does a battery make the cut.

 

[Cyberman]

Yadda-blah, yadda-blah. Got that?

 

[PilotPete]

You guys are much more in the know about batteries than i but im guessing solid state battery is the next big thing for ev makers and sandy munro has called it the death of ice vehicles once it can be scaled to the demand. What i have read and it could be bs is the porsche and toyota claim that scaling is not far off

https://www.motortrend.com/news/sandy-munro-tesla-ev-solid-state-sodium-ion-battery/

And Musk has said landing on Mars is “not far off”. There is a lab that has been able to create short bursts of fusion to create electricity. And the whole package is the size of a smart car, and it should be able to power a neighborhood. But I ain’t waiting for that to become real. I’m still putting solar on my roof. If solid state makes it to the masses by 2030, then I’ll be buying a new vehicle in 2032-ish. Until then, I gotta drive something!

 

[fhteagle]

You guys are much more in the know about batteries than i but im guessing solid state battery is the next big thing for ev

I don't claim to be a battery expert but I have tried to keep up to date with hype and reality since before I bought my Volt, 11 years ago. My observation is that lab gains are huge step changes in performance and hugely hyped, what makes it to pilot production is smaller steps and far slower, and what makes it integrated into products is relatively conservative vs the hype. That being said, ~10-20% YOY energy density gains for 15 years straight has had a really nice cumulative effect so far. And we're getting to the point where it's not the same solution (all puns intended) chasing every niche. Sodium ion and various types of flow batteries for the cheap bulk low energy and power density applications, silicon doped nanowire liquid lithium for a nice bump on today's batteries (a la Amprius), and at some point in the future true solid state are near term but still future commercializations in my opinion. They're coming, maybe not tomorrow, maybe not 10 years away, somewhere in between. That's as accurate as my crystal ball is right now lol.

 

[FutureBoy]

Thought the whole point of a battery was to store potential.

I originally wrote this in jest. But as people have reacted and I keep seeing it again, it has me thinking.

With young kids in the house, their future potential is often on my mind. Which also gets me thinking about my own remaining potential. One way of looking at life is that we as humans have stored potential that we can either utilize or lose over time. Perhaps we are physical manifestations of stored potential. Does that make us a battery?

Elon talks about the human experience as possibly being a simulation. And I've recently heard some physicists and others talking about how our evolution has selected for our senses to show us a shared experience of the world but that this view might not be anything close to the underlying physics of the universe.

Is it possible that a scenario like in The Matrix exists in which we are batteries living our lives and experiencing things without seeing the deeper physical world around us? Do we store both physical and metaphorical potential to be utilized over time?

It's the end of a long week. I need to go get a drink and settle in. And my mind is wandering / wondering.

 

[jerhenderson]

Yadda-blah, yadda-blah. Got that?

yeah.... my concept solid state battery beats them all! lol

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