All Season Tires (Pirelli Scorpion AS) + 20" Inch Core Wheels + Wheel Covers Are Here! -- My Real World Range / Consumption Data 📊

[Beetle]

Out of curiosity, when did you place the order? I configured A/S tire on mine as well for 2+ months now still waiting on VIN. Tesla CS said it could be because of the tire and recommended to swap it to A/T to speed up the delivery. I really don't want to give up the A/S range yet.

I saw my AS tires today and they look great. They came with wheel covers and look great also. The wait is worth it.

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[MadMaxTX]

I saw my AS tires today and they look great. They came with wheel covers and look great also. The wait is worth it.

I like mine too. Some people don't and that's fine. It's an opinion, not a fact.

 

[HaulingAss]

Do you mind if I ask what you mean by a separation of airflow? I'm asking for an off-topic reason. My Challenger has had a shake when I go over 65. I've had it looked at by 3 different shops including Dodge and no one can find the problem. They all say it's in amazing shape. I've come to the conclusion it's aero related, and only at higher speeds...

The angle formed where the windshield meets the glass roof is shallow enough that the airflow remains laminar up to at least 60 mph. At some speed over this, a turbulent "wave" forms just behind the top of the windshield. That will cause a sharp dropoff in efficiency when the airflow goes from mostly laminar to mostly turbulent.

My best guess is it happens around 65 mph. If you have a 8 mph tailwind it wouldn't happen until 73 mph. If you have an 8 mph headwind it would happen at 57 mph. Note that these numbers are just examples that assume the airflow becomes non-laminar at 65 mph in still air. It could be at 62 mph or 68 mph, we don't know exactly. I have noticed I can get really good efficiency at 60 mph, so I'm confident it is still mostly laminar at 60 mph.

Aerodynamics is complicated. With a typical aero car shape car, it tends to get much worse efficiency with a crosswind. It's possible that a crosswind could impact range in a Cybertruck more or less than in a typical aero shaped car, it could accelerate or delay the air separation discussed about above. My best guess is that a crosswind might make the transition from laminar to seperated airflow less abrupt.

 

[HaulingAss]

I am fully aware of nonlinear behavior in fluid flow problems. I just don't see the reason for the outsized increase going from 65 mph to 70mph compared with the increase observed going from 70 to 75 mph. Another user, HaulingAss, commented that he had predicted this behavior from something in the design, but hasn't given any clues as to what that might be. I intend to do more measurements when I have time and the right circumstances. I'm not saying I intend to do anything illegal, but I like to have measurements at 80 and 85, at least.

See my reply above this.

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

The angle formed where the windshield meets the glass roof is shallow enough that the airflow remains laminar up to at least 60 mph. At some speed over this, a turbulent "wave" forms just behind the top of the windshield. That will cause a sharp dropoff in efficiency when the airflow goes from mostly laminar to mostly turbulent.

My best guess is it happens around 65 mph. If you have a 8 mph tailwind it wouldn't happen until 73 mph. If you have an 8 mph headwind it would happen at 57 mph. Note that these numbers are just examples that assume the airflow becomes non-laminar at 65 mph in still air. It could be at 62 mph or 68 mph, we don't know exactly. I have noticed I can get really good efficiency at 60 mph, so I'm confident it is still mostly laminar at 60 mph.

Thanks!

 

[65SoYoLO]

What are "core" tires? Does Core mean basic, standard tire that is on the standard edition or is there an actual inner "core" to the tire?

 

[RidnDirty]

I would if Aero covers would help the AT tires on the beast.

 

[Ruffles]

What are "core" tires? Does Core mean basic, standard tire that is on the standard edition or is there an actual inner "core" to the tire?

My understanding is it's the base wheel/tire/cover combo that will be free with Cybertrucks. The AT Cyber wheels /tire/covers that has been shipping to date are the upgrade/optional extras that we got as part of the FS goodies. Both tires (Pirelli & Goodyear) have sound suppressing foam inside of them but that is not what is being talked about in this context.

 

[65SoYoLO]

My understanding is it's the base wheel/tire/cover combo that will be free with Cybertrucks. The AT Cyber wheels /tire/covers that has been shipping to date are the upgrade/optional extras that we got as part of the FS goodies. Both tires (Pirelli & Goodyear) have sound suppressing foam inside of them but that is not what is being talked about in this context.

Ah ha!

 

[MadMaxTX]

My understanding is it's the base wheel/tire/cover combo that will be free with Cybertrucks. The AT Cyber wheels /tire/covers that has been shipping to date are the upgrade/optional extras that we got as part of the FS goodies. Both tires (Pirelli & Goodyear) have sound suppressing foam inside of them but that is not what is being talked about in this context.

I've seen a lot of people say that, but I don't know the basis for this, except that maybe that's sort of the standard arrangement for traditional trucks/offroad sales and marketing. I don't think these scorpions are going to be cheap.

 

[jookyone]

This is pretty standard consumption on ATs in primarily 45-65 mph, some 75+mph, and a little bit of city driving (Trip B). Works out to 360+ miles. Don't need the AS, but I'm guessing highway range on the AS is superior.

 

[nicnguye]

My understanding is it's the base wheel/tire/cover combo that will be free with Cybertrucks. The AT Cyber wheels /tire/covers that has been shipping to date are the upgrade/optional extras that we got as part of the FS goodies. Both tires (Pirelli & Goodyear) have sound suppressing foam inside of them but that is not what is being talked about in this context.

Some people even claimed the AT tires "option" is worth $5K over the AS tires. I found the AS tires generally cost as much as AT tires. Unless someone provides official info from Tesla about the AT "upgrade" over the AS, the claims on the AT tires are baseless.

 

[Jack27]

picked my AD Saturday with ATs and there was 1 out of 10 there with all season and wheel covers . All is AT orders got no wheel covers. Honestly I will be glad to give up a few miles ranges to stick with the beefier looking ATs. To each there own though

 

[HaulingAss]

Sorry if I missed it earlier in this thread, but what are the load ratings for the AS/Scorpions?

The Dual Motor goes from 2,500 lbs. payload capacity with the AT tires to 2,200 lbs. with the AS tires.
The Tri Motor goes from 2,270 lbs. down to 2,000 lbs.

You can find specs and capacities in the online Cybertruck Owner's Manual:
Dimensions, Weights, and Cargo Capacity (tesla.com)

And because the AT tires have more puncture resistance built into them, flats will be more rare. If you add a spare tire, jack and tire changing tools, your remaining payload capacity will go down by the weight of those items, about another 150 lbs.

My strategy is to minimize the chance of getting flats, by keeping the tires well aired up, watching where I'm driving (whether they are aired up or down) and always running quality tires. Then, if I am unlucky enough to still get a puncture, I'll deal with it using a much lighter plug kit. And in the unlikely event that I cannot do an emergency repair, I'll walk out, camp, rely on others. I simply don't get enough flat tires for it to make sense to carry a spare tire and wheel and associated tire changing tools.

 

[igs]

And because the AT tires have more puncture resistance built into them

Um, no.

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