Any 500mi range updates?

[TBONO]

A lot of variables come in to play regarding electric vehicle range.

Our five year old 80,000 mile model three now shows 275 miles at full charge. Tesla told me it’s not battery did degration, but it’s calculating based on how we drive.

If you drive it down to 20% that gives you a real range of 220 miles

We have Nokian snow tires in the winter, which I would guess. Have a 10% impact bringing us down to 200 miles.

A lot of our travel is to the mountains for skiing so cold weather and elevations probably another 10% impact which yield a realistic range of about
180 miles.

from the bay area to Tahoe it’s roughly 175 miles, which feels about right I can barely barely make it under ideal conditions without charging, but any issue (snow, traffic) would have us out of juice. On the way back we can make it without charging as it’s downhill.

400 mile range would address most of this if not all. And the 500 mile range would be Bliss — so eagerly awaiting the 500 mile +? CT

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[Crissa]

Traffic should increase your range, not decrease it, unless your driving gets worse with traffic.

Traffic reducing your speed, increases your range. Traffic also gives you more slipstreams to benefit from.

Traffic is bad for ICE range, not EV. Your cabin and lights power consumption is tiny compared to the power consumption just to keeping an ICE idling.

-Crissa

 

[charliemagpie]

If I can drive 500 kilometers at 88km (55mph) towing 3.5 tons (7000lb)

Bye.... see you out there !!!!!

 

[TBONO]

Traffic should increase your range, not decrease it, unless your driving gets worse with traffic.

Traffic reducing your speed increases your range. Traffic also gives you more slipstreams to benefit from.

Traffic is bad for ICE range, not EV. Your cabin and lights power consumption is tiny compared to the power consumption just to keeping an ICE idling.

-Crissa

Sorry. I should’ve qualified what I meant by traffic I’m referring to Tahoe snow storm traffic where a three hour trip turns into 6-10hr. so roads are closed, it’s snowing and you’re waiting for them to open. so this scenario requires sufficient power reserves. This happened to many people about two weeks ago during a big storm

This is why most making the trip myself included. I always pull over at a supercharger 60 miles away from the summit for a 15 to 20 minute top off.

Noted this is an outlier situation, however, similar if not, worst power challenges affect us when towing or managing a long 200 mile plus trip where superchargers are not always readily available

 

[Crissa]

Sorry. I should’ve qualified what I meant by traffic I’m referring to Tahoe snow storm traffic where a three hour trip turns into 6-10hr. so roads are closed, it’s snowing and you’re waiting for them to open. so this scenario requires sufficient power reserves. This happened to many people about two weeks ago during a big storm

This is why most making the trip myself included. I always pull over at a supercharger 60 miles away from the summit for a 15 to 20 minute top off.

Noted this is an outlier situation, however, similar if not, worst power challenges affect us when towing or managing a long 200 mile plus trip where superchargers are not always readily available

That's why there's extra chargers - Type 2 and DC - along the route on 80. You can pull off and plug in and wait it out.

Snow will consume more power, but the traffic won't. You'd have to sit for hours to lose much range. Your heater/AC use should max about about 10 miles per hour.

-Crissa

 

[TBONO]

That's why there's extra chargers - Type 2 and DC - along the route on 80. You can pull off and plug in and wait it out.

Snow will consume more power, but the traffic won't. You'd have to sit for hours to lose much range. Your heater/AC use should max about about 10 miles per hour.

-Crissa

Sounds like you have not experienced this. When the highway closes, you may not have the option to get off. You are stuck. You could be on the way up the summit. You could be at the summit you can be you could be on the way down the summit when traffic stops due to a spin out or forced closure more often than not, you do not have the option of exiting.

If you do, guess what, every other Tesla’s run to that supercharger as well and they are backed up for hours.

Same argument is for ice cars they say make sure you have plenty of gas for this reason. Difference is most ice cars have a much longer range.

 

[Crissa]

Sounds like you have not experienced this.

...Because I have never gotten trapped doesn't mean I don't know it can happen.

They're supposed to give space for you to pull off, turn around, and block the highway at one of the towns/exits. And for me, I've always looked at the weather/traffic ahead of time - it's what I was taught on ski trips as a kid. We never got caught.

Last month during the storms the highway almost got cut while I was using it, and usually what I'd do is if the traffic got slow or Google showed it going red, I'd leave the highway. Because that's how you avoid getting trapped. Three years ago, during the last storm winter, people were stuck there all night due to a slide across all lanes. But that time all the alternate routes had already been cut, so I just trusted it was some idiot who'd get escorted off the road, and that's what it was.

But! The theory is that they divert traffic to the towns along the route so you can turn around or wait it out. You are not supposed to get stuck on the highway.

Hence, that's why there's extra chargers. Just because that's why doesn't mean they'll always work for you: But you should keep them in mind and ready to divert to if the road closes. And if you're going to be stuck, finding a Level 2 charger to sit at is about the same as sitting in line at a Supercharger, time wise.

-Crissa

 

[Knucklehead]

The oil economy isn’t exactly a “Free Market”. A few players control all of the resources and they manipulate the market to maximize profits.

At the gas station level, there are fairly low margins on fuel sales and big fixed costs which need to be paid for. As volume drops off, they can’t lower prices much before they are no longer profitable and fail.

Refineries have absolutely massive fixed costs and are going to pass those costs along regardless of volume. Nobody is investing in new oil infrastructure right now so existing players have a monopoly until the market runs dry. These guys are going to capture every penny they can out of a dwindling amount of oil flows.

Shipping costs are more or less fixed. Shippers will retire capacity rather than take a loss on shipping.

The cost of pumping oil varies greatly by region and this plays against the consumer. Saudi oil is cheap to pump and they will provide it until the end. But in many places like in the US and Canada, oil isn’t profitable when oil prices drop below $45/ barrel (that’s an estimate based on older data so might be higher or lower than that specific number). So if oil prices drop significantly a bunch of players stop selling. Once the US and Canada drop out, the oil consortiums manipulate supply to maximize revenue.

There are no free markets in the oil industry. Just a bunch of monopolists and consortiums.

I agree with a lot of your points except I think there is more of a "free" market than you do. NA is able to keep OPEC in check because of the oil produced here.

As demand drops and surpluses increase, prices will drop. As the price of a barrel of oil drops it will eventually get to that threshold (possibly $45 as you said) where NA producers get out of the market, giving a lot of the supply control back to OPEC (i.e. Saudi Arabia). And of course all along OPEC and others will try to manipulate the price by controlling the supply, as they have always done. However, as you said, the price per gallon of oil will drop, and it will rise, depending on supply and demand.

My point is that if there are no new artificial costs imposed by government, the cost of gasoline will go down as demand drops. I agree at some point as production drops off line, demand will exceed supply and prices will rise again. Especially if there are regulations that artificially increase the cost of production and distribution.

BTW - OPEC is most interested in profit, not profit margin. If they make less per gallon of oil, but they produce more, they could make more profit. There is a point where they raise their prices too much and actually reduce their profit because demand drops. They have an incentive to keep prices lower so that people buy more.

IMO the power of OPEC is a facade. The power really lies with the consumers of oil. We can choose to buy it or not, so if OPEC goes too crazy, they will hurt themselves because they do NOT control us.

After all, you and I have already told OPEC to go screw themselves, because we have electric cars. Well, mostly, since some of that electricity may be petroleum based. But still, my use of OPEC's product is definitely less than it was before I got my BEV. We are ultimately the ones with the power, and they are at our mercy.

Now I am going to go do some WOTs in my MME, silently! ?

 

[slomo]

A lot of variables come in to play regarding electric vehicle range.

Our five year old 80,000 mile model three now shows 275 miles at full charge. Tesla told me it’s not battery did degration, but it’s calculating based on how we drive.

If you drive it down to 20% that gives you a real range of 220 miles

We have Nokian snow tires in the winter, which I would guess. Have a 10% impact bringing us down to 200 miles.

A lot of our travel is to the mountains for skiing so cold weather and elevations probably another 10% impact which yield a realistic range of about
180 miles.

from the bay area to Tahoe it’s roughly 175 miles, which feels about right I can barely barely make it under ideal conditions without charging, but any issue (snow, traffic) would have us out of juice. On the way back we can make it without charging as it’s downhill.

400 mile range would address most of this if not all. And the 500 mile range would be Bliss — so eagerly awaiting the 500 mile +? CT

Unfortunately for each 500 mile CT built probably reduces total production by one vehicle. Also, 500 miles may be based on a cell power density that Tesla hasn't achieved yet.

I'm only interested in a >400 mile range CT. I don't expect that vehicle for a few years.

Similarly, Tesla is slow rolling the semi because producing higher volume reduces profitability.

 

[HaulingAss]

Unfortunately for each 500 mile CT built probably reduces total production by one vehicle.

It looks to me like Tesla is on the verge of turning their one Austin, TX production line that has been operating sporatically while they tune and refine the manufacturing processes, into four production lines running full tilt.

My point is, batteries will probably not constrain Tesla's ability to build the range variants the market demands in large quantities for very long.

 

[datechboss101]

Please stay off the roads where I drive. The 10 under folks cause so much discomfort in urban areas like DC! Selfish.

Oh. Please don't get me started, cuz I only do this on the travel lane (that's what the lane is used for, and DC/VA has some of the worst speed traps in the country); I have more than 2 braincells to understand doing this on the left lane (right lane for the wrong side drivers) is literal impeding traffic. Its how you are supposed to get the best range, MPG/MPGe, etc.

If you really wanna go to the specific details, it's actually northerners who move down to Florida, and decides it's a-okay to do up to speed limit on the left lane. I got all the specific details, but the factual evidence due to observation would really trigger/piss off some people here, and most of this occurred between 2020 to present. AND YES, 10 under is STILL LEGAL, at least in Florida, but you just have to contact your local agencies and state highway patrol to ask about that, and specifics relating to it. That's how my tests were ran, and will run for this Cybertruck.

Have you driven a new $20K ICE vehicle on the highway for thousands of miles? Awful.

YES. It's not all about creature comforts. It's about how far internal combustion engines came over the span of a century. EVs still are in the infancy stage, with the only exception being Tesla, who figured everything out within a decade.

If you wanted to know about creature comforts, well it was a fully decked out Nissan for $20k brand new. Same materials found in Tesla (minus the fake leather).

 

[alan auerbach]

But what will it cost? As consumption is reduced, pricing of gasoline should increase. At what point do gas stations begin not selling gasoline? Gasoline comes with leaking issues and other regulatory problems that may cause it to be too expensive to sell.

The longer the range, the higher the battery's cost and weight. A heavier battery might be helpful (for instance, in poor traction conditions) but the added inertia will interfere with stopping. So it's a tradeoff, meaning it might not serve you to get more range than you really need.

 

[acey]

Lots of storys of the MYLR getting around 150 miles in the winter. Thats not going to cut it for some folks, like me.

 

[Ogre]

Lots of storys of the MYLR getting around 150 miles in the winter. Thats not going to cut it for some folks, like me.

Too often “stories” is just another word for FUD.

Lots of FUD spread around thickly.

 

[Crissa]

Lots of storys of the MYLR getting around 150 miles in the winter. Thats not going to cut it for some folks, like me.

I wonder what they're doing to get that poor mileage?

-Crissa

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