Automatic Emergency Braking

[Eka]

Interesting. So, sounds like you may have a disagreement with the Tesla Manual.

Maybe someone who likes Utube clicks can put up the inflatable human and test it out. I'm actually kind of surprised that someone has not already done that, unless I just missed it.

For those who have had folks behind them with problems when CT braked hard, if they can't slow down behind a braking Cybertruck, they are tailgating WAY too closely. Doesn't make it any better if you are rear-ended though.

A bumper sicker that reads "Don't tailgate, Emergency brakes for squirrels and napkins" might work. Yeah, I've had both happen.

Out of Spec Motoring has a track they could test some of this on. The manikin mob just need to be lined up and somehow animated.

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[Beetlebug62]

 

[HaulingAss]

Yea, the small animal thing needs to change. My truck SLAMMED on the breaks for a squirrel, tossed the tools in my truck vault hard and put me inches from getting rear ended.

Is this your first truck?

I ask because tools in the bed always need to be secured in case you need to threshold brake or change direction suddenly to avoid an accident. In the event of an actual collision, it's even more important to have heavy items like tools secured. Some people don't understand the energy involved in a crash situation.

Thousands of avoidable accidents have happened because the driver was too timid with brakes or steering, not wanting things to go flying. Always secure hard items so you can react immediately and decisively, so you can drive the truck like it was meant to be driven when your life is threatened. There is no time for hesitation simply because you had not secured loose items.

 

[HaulingAss]

Might as well test it out with an inflatable person?

I've experienced at low speeds ~10-15mph it hard brakes & beeps for dogs/cattle and I can't drive forward, even when pressing the accelerator fully down.

This is sick. Why would you intentionally floor a powerful AWD truck with an innocent dog right in front of you?

 

[HaulingAss]

A bumper sicker that reads "Don't tailgate, Emergency brakes for squirrels and napkins" might work. Yeah, I've had both happen.

The danger of getting rear-ended in a Tesla because it slammed it's brakes on for something relatively inconsequential is overblown and mostly a false narrative.

While no system is perfect, FSD (and AEB) is always aware of what's going on behind it. FSD will actually release the brakes and accelerate if it determines that is the action of least harm. No system is perfect but it's already far more proficient and alert than any almost any human driver.

Any testing of this nature needs to include a car tailgating the Tesla to determine if a braking response was actually dangerous. Another test scenario would be a car approaching from the rear at a high rate of speed to see if the Tesla accelerated quickly enough (assuming it had a safe path forward with only a squirrel or bird in the way).

On the latest version of FSD, I've had it stutter while accelerating and having a bird flying right in front of the windshield. It's response time is stunning, the driver feels the deceleration before the bird registers. And this was one of the listed improvements in the release notes of a recent FSD update (improved small animal avoidance).

 

[eswimm]

Given the people who've parked their Tesla's inside buildings because of pedal confusion, I think it's safe to say that AEB acts as stated in the manual. It'll brake if you're just cruising along, but if you've floored the accelerator it's going through.

As mentioned above, Obstacle-Aware Acceleration is another animal entirely. It will actively limit your throttle input to a crawl if it thinks there's something in front of you. I've had it turned off since it was first implemented because I felt unsafe not being able to accelerate when I wanted to. It was extremely sensitive to cross traffic when I was pulling out onto busy streets. It's been several years though and I should probably give it another shot because I would assume the logic has been tuned over the years.

 

[Eka]

This is sick. Why would you intentionally floor a powerful AWD truck with an innocent dog right in front of you?

Right now it sounds like it just refuses to go unless you floor it. That isn't viable with cattle. Sometimes you need to inch forward to push them out of the way. That inching forward must be well controlled. It can go from gradual inching forward to actual pushing out of the way. Before I became fully disabled I was a cattlewoman. So I have more than a bit of experience with this. It's the tamest most human habituated cows that are the biggest problems too.

 

[Outdoors]

I am pretty sure Elon said it will stop for animals. Or try to.

 

[HaulingAss]

Right now it sounds like it just refuses to go unless you floor it. That isn't viable with cattle. Sometimes you need to inch forward to push them out of the way. That inching forward must be well controlled. It can go from gradual inching forward to actual pushing out of the way. Before I became fully disabled I was a cattlewoman. So I have more than a bit of experience with this. It's the tamest most human habituated cows that are the biggest problems too.

That's only if you have Obstacle Aware Acceleration enabled in the settings menu. I turned it off years ago but a few months ago I turned it on to see if it would interfere with my manual driving but I haven't noticed anything yet. That might be because I'm usually using FSD anyway.

I've ridden my motorcycle through numerous cattle and sheep drives in Oregon, Washington, and Idaho (maybe Montana too, I don't remember). With the ranchers on horseback and thousands of big cattle surrounding us, unprotected should it turn into a stampede, turning off our engines and letting them flow around us like a river always seemed like the best option!

 

[HaulingAss]

I am pretty sure Elon said it will stop for animals. Or try to.

Good video, I hadn't seen that yet!

 

[Eka]

That's only if you have Obstacle Aware Acceleration enabled in the settings menu. I turned it off years ago but a few months ago I turned it on to see if it would interfere with my manual driving but I haven't noticed anything yet. That might be because I'm usually using FSD anyway.

I've ridden my motorcycle through numerous cattle and sheep drives in Oregon, Washington, and Idaho (maybe Montana too, I don't remember). With the ranchers on horseback and thousands of big cattle surrounding us, unprotected should it turn into a stampede, turning off our engines and letting them flow around us like a river always seemed like the best option!

There is a big difference between a cattle drive of cattle not used to your vehicle, and going out in a field with your own cattle. BTW: Ranch cattle are often a lot less human habituated than farm cattle are, thus are much more easy to spook. My cattle often crowded around the truck when I drove in a field. I could lead them down a road to a new field with my truck. I just banged on the door in a repeated pattern and they crowded around and followed where I drove.

 

[Beetlebug62]

I am pretty sure Elon said it will stop for animals. Or try to.

Oddly, I couldn't caption my video. Anyhow, I wanted to show that was a tiny squirrel my CT braked for.

 

[Outdoors]

Oddly, I couldn't caption my video. Anyhow, I wanted to show that was a tiny squirrel my CT braked for.

I guess I don't know why it's an issue. Is one concerned? Mine stops for squirrels as well. I'm sure there is a size of an animal where it doesn't stop.

I'm sure there is some decision tree or hierarchy that makes the decision on what, when, how hard, etc. To apply the brakes based on some risk valuation.

 

[MCraft99]

This is sick. Why would you intentionally floor a powerful AWD truck with an innocent dog right in front of you?

You're misinterpreting what I said. I wasn't trying to intentionally run anything over... I was stating that I couldn't even inch the vehicle, even when slowly pressing all the way down. The point was to make note of the vehicle's anti collision system which you cannot override, at least at those low speeds.

 

[Beetlebug62]

I guess I don't know why it's an issue. Is one concerned? Mine stops for squirrels as well. I'm sure there is a size of an animal where it doesn't stop.

I'm sure there is some decision tree or hierarchy that makes the decision on what, when, how hard, etc. To apply the brakes based on some risk valuation.

Concerned, no impressed that it could see a fast-moving tiny object.

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