CCS Combo 1 Adapter Doesn’t Fit Cybertruck

[Gritted Cybe]

I've heard good things about the A2Z adapter. Yet, using non OEM adapters scares me a bit. I'm in the market for a CCS but do not have a road trip coming up any time soon. I'm waiting for Tesla to hopefully come out with one that fits the CT in the mean time. If you need one right now, I'd go with A2Z.

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[mongo]

I've heard good things about the A2Z adapter. Yet, using non OEM adapters scares me a bit. I'm in the market for a CCS but do not have a road trip coming up any time soon. I'm waiting for Tesla to hopefully come out with one that fits the CT in the mean time. If you need one right now, I'd go with A2Z.

Yeah, would like a Tesla solution.
Hannshow sasy 500V max, 300A max, so it's really only compatible with 125kW class fast chargers.

A2Z is 1000V 350A, which is a bit better. Can do around 250kW if the truck is in 800V mode. Plus it has temperature sensors in event of overheat.

 

[Chris Pierce]

Huh? I'm showing 4 open Supercharger sites within 50 miles of Pensacola and one of them is only 12 miles out of town. Any direction you go you will run into a Supercharger.

The lowest range Tesla you can buy has a 272 mile range!

From our hotel, the closest Supercharger was a 30 minute drive there, while a DC fast charger with a CCS1 plug was in the shopping center next door.

The following week, we drove from Central Florida to Arizona, and the route through West Texas required some careful charging to try to keep within the 80-20 rule.

 

[Chris Pierce]

Yeah I never understood this thought of having a supercharger in ones backyard if one has home charging. A good radius for me is about 100 miles away all around.

We bought the Cybertruck specifically for road trips (and hauling big stuff), so alternative charging options are important.

 

[henchman24]

I use the A2Z and it is mostly fine. The biggest complaint I have is it is a very tight fit on some CCS handles. REMA specifically is a pain. You can always get it off, but you have to kinda wiggle it out.

On the 350a rating, remember that is a continuous rating. They state that it can handle 500a for 15 minutes, but that's not how certifications are written (many charging companies do the same sort of things with boost profiles). I've used it on EA a couple times at >350a (gotten ~330 kW at low SoC) and never felt it got too hot. Frankly at the ~750v the pack is at there combined with the charge curve, the truck isn't over 350a long enough to heat up the adapter that much. It is basically in that 5-25/30% window that lasts 5-7 minutes where it is over that amperage and only 5-20% where it is over significantly (3-4 minutes).

 

[Chris Pierce]

I use the A2Z and it is mostly fine. The biggest complaint I have is it is a very tight fit on some CCS handles. REMA specifically is a pain. You can always get it off, but you have to kinda wiggle it out.

On the 350a rating, remember that is a continuous rating. They state that it can handle 500a for 15 minutes, but that's not how certifications are written (many charging companies do the same sort of things with boost profiles). I've used it on EA a couple times at >350a (gotten ~330 kW at low SoC) and never felt it got too hot. Frankly at the ~750v the pack is at there combined with the charge curve, the truck isn't over 350a long enough to heat up the adapter that much. It is basically in that 5-25/30% window that lasts 5-7 minutes where it is over that amperage and only 5-20% where it is over significantly (3-4 minutes).

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[mongo]

I use the A2Z and it is mostly fine. The biggest complaint I have is it is a very tight fit on some CCS handles. REMA specifically is a pain. You can always get it off, but you have to kinda wiggle it out.

On the 350a rating, remember that is a continuous rating. They state that it can handle 500a for 15 minutes, but that's not how certifications are written (many charging companies do the same sort of things with boost profiles). I've used it on EA a couple times at >350a (gotten ~330 kW at low SoC) and never felt it got too hot. Frankly at the ~750v the pack is at there combined with the charge curve, the truck isn't over 350a long enough to heat up the adapter that much. It is basically in that 5-25/30% window that lasts 5-7 minutes where it is over that amperage and only 5-20% where it is over significantly (3-4 minutes).

Sure, and it has the thermal sensors.
Still, 500A on a 400V pack is still <<250kW.

 

[henchman24]

Sure, and it has the thermal sensors.
Still, 500A on a 400V pack is still <<250kW.

The CT is a 800v class vehicle. Almost all of the major CCS chargers >130 kW will match that voltage instead of the 400v (almost all of these 400v limited chargers are limited to 350a). There are some very specific chargers where you'll find 150-175kW 400v limited chargers with CCS (outside MagicDock Tesla superchargers which are essentially 400v 500a limited on CCS, but we shouldn't utilize the adapter stack), but they are exceedingly rare and you're unlikely to ever experience them.

So when using CCS, you'll simply find very few instances where the truck goes to 400v mode. Which means that the adapter is very unlikely to see 500a for a long period of time if used on a CT. Now using on a different Tesla, you'll see 500a for a decently long time. That's not the use case of the adapter though.

 

[HaulingAss]

The following week, we drove from Central Florida to Arizona, and the route through West Texas required some careful charging to try to keep within the 80-20 rule.

Did someone convince you not to discharge below 20%? That is bad advice, I regularly show up to Superchargers with low teens to single digit charge percentages and it greatly reduces the time I spend Supercharging. But I only charge past 65% if I need to to make it to my next stop, generally I unplug at 62%-68%.

Also, when I stay in a hotel, I use one with Level II charging, whenever practical. It's usually free and allows me to leave in the morning with 100% charge. That will generally get me 4-5 hours of non-stop driving without needing a single Supercharger. But I tend to stop anyway, because I need to pee, take a short walk and pick up a refreshment.

 

[Gritted Cybe]

Did someone convince you not to discharge below 20%? That is bad advice, I regularly show up to Superchargers with low teens to single digit charge percentages and it greatly reduces the time I spend Supercharging. But I only charge past 65% if I need to to make it to my next stop, generally I unplug at 62%-68%.

Also, when I stay in a hotel, I use one with Level II charging, whenever practical. It's usually free and allows me to leave in the morning with 100% charge. That will generally get me 4-5 hours of non-stop driving without needing a single Supercharger. But I tend to stop anyway, because I need to pee, take a short walk and pick up a refreshment.

What MPH do you go 4-5 hours at?

 

[Chris Pierce]

Did someone convince you not to discharge below 20%? That is bad advice, I regularly show up to Superchargers with low teens to single digit charge percentages and it greatly reduces the time I spend Supercharging. But I only charge past 65% if I need to to make it to my next stop, generally I unplug at 62%-68%.

Also, when I stay in a hotel, I use one with Level II charging, whenever practical. It's usually free and allows me to leave in the morning with 100% charge. That will generally get me 4-5 hours of non-stop driving without needing a single Supercharger. But I tend to stop anyway, because I need to pee, take a short walk and pick up a refreshment.

I’ve heard to keep the battery between the 20 - 80% range since I bought our first Tesla in 2020. Supposedly shortens the lifespan.

 

[HaulingAss]

What MPH do you go 4-5 hours at?

It depends upon the traffic and the weather. I tend to travel with the faster traffic, if I get behind a slower moving truck, I pass them when the opportunity presents. I like to get off the Interstate and take the secondary highways which are generally more scenic and fun to drive. They also tend to circumvent the larger cities and associated ugliness.

I also get much higher miles per kWh than I generally see posted here. It makes me think most Cybertruck drivers still haven't learned how to drive efficiently at any speed. Always speeding up and regen braking on the highway. Or maybe they just forget to close their tonneau and think their tires are perfectly inflated since the TPMS says 50 or 51 PSI after they've been on the highway for a while.

 

[cybercricket]

I’ve heard to keep the battery between the 20 - 80% range since I bought our first Tesla in 2020. Supposedly shortens the lifespan.

40 years from now people will still struggle to understand basic manufacturer's instructions.

@Chris Pierce for daily use avoid cycling the battery outside of 80-20% range. Definitely don't leave vehicle unplugged if the SoC is below 20%. For occasional long trips don't hesitate to cycle the battery in the wider range (charge to 100%, discharge below 20%), just again make sure if you drain it low (below 20%) then plug it in as soon as possible. That's a loose interpretation of what Tesla recommends at this time for the Cybertruck.

 

[HaulingAss]

I’ve heard to keep the battery between the 20 - 80% range since I bought our first Tesla in 2020. Supposedly shortens the lifespan.

LOL! Don't listen to ridiculous old wives' tales, the battery will last longer than you think, even if you use it fully. Just don't let it sit for longer periods of time at very low or charge to very high states of charge when you don't need it and it will just sit there at 90% or 100% for extended periods. This is not a problem on a roadtrip where you are just running it down low before Supercharging. Or when you are destination charging at your hotel, because you will probably be getting ready to leave right about the time the battery is approaching 100% SoC. You paid for the entire battery, you might as well use it when it makes your trip better. That's what it's there for.

The lifespan of the battery is probably a lot longer than you want to own the vehicle. These batteries will just keep going and going.

When I was a youngster, I had people tell me I was ruining my German or Japanese engines by using their entire RPM range (almost to redline) when I needed more brisk acceleration. They were equally misinformed. My engines didn't spend enough minutes per week near redline to matter, they lasted longer than people who lugged their little engines everywhere. Old wives' tales are a dime/dozen - don't fall for them.

 

[cybercricket]

LOL! Don't listen to ridiculous old wives' tales, the battery will last longer than you think, even if you use it fully. Just don't let it sit for longer periods of time at very low or charge to very high states of charge when you don't need it and it will just sit there at 90% or 100% for extended periods. This is not a problem on a roadtrip where you are just running it down low before Supercharging. Or when you are destination charging at your hotel, because you will probably be getting ready to leave right about the time the battery is approaching 100% SoC. You paid for the entire battery, you might as well use it when it makes your trip better. That's what it's there for.

The lifespan of the battery is probably a lot longer than you want to own the vehicle. These batteries will just keep going and going.

When I was a youngster, I had people tell me I was ruining my German or Japanese engines by using their entire RPM range (almost to redline) when I needed more brisk acceleration. They were equally misinformed. My engines didn't spend enough minutes per week near redline to matter, they lasted longer than people who lugged their little engines everywhere. Old wives' tales are a dime/dozen - don't fall for them.

20% number most likely comes from the liability angle. We all know there will be people who will drain the battery to 5% and then leave it unattended for weeks, then claim warranty. Even at 0% the cells are still significantly above their min voltage and will not get damaged if not left discharging further through the parasitic load and self-discharge.

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