Close Call (Thanks, FSD!)

[hemiarch]

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Wham Bam should do an episode of FSD saves

Now that would make a fun thread don’t you think @Administrator ?

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[pae1andonly]

I'm not sure why the owner's manuals don't detail the various accident avoidance features in the code, but it's obvious there's more than just FCW/AEB when driving manually.

I've been wondering about that. Had FSD not been engaged, what would have happened? Would it have moved forward? Or allow the hit to happen?

What would happen if you where in a situation surrounded by rioters threatening great bodily harm - would you even have the option to drive out? Or would the computer prevent that from happening? Would going to off-road mode make a difference? Since you are then purposefully driving over big rocks, you'd think the collision avoidance would be at least dialed back if not disabled.

 

[192.168.1.1]

Ive noticed that The CT will also flash the high beams (rapidly and not like off/on) for some situations. I forgot when i noticed it but it was very weird.

 

[eswimm]

I've been wondering about that. Had FSD not been engaged, what would have happened? Would it have moved forward? Or allow the hit to happen?

What would happen if you where in a situation surrounded by rioters threatening great bodily harm - would you even have the option to drive out? Or would the computer prevent that from happening? Would going to off-road mode make a difference? Since you are then purposefully driving over big rocks, you'd think the collision avoidance would be at least dialed back if not disabled.

You always have control. If it tries to swerve one way, you can steer it the other. If it tries to brake for something, you can make it accelerate instead. The driver is the one responsible, so you get the final say. Things like obstacle aware acceleration may make the vehicle hesitate to run somebody over, but it'll do it if you persist in trying.

 

[Cactusrick]

I've been wondering about that. Had FSD not been engaged, what would have happened? Would it have moved forward? Or allow the hit to happen?

What would happen if you where in a situation surrounded by rioters threatening great bodily harm - would you even have the option to drive out? Or would the computer prevent that from happening? Would going to off-road mode make a difference? Since you are then purposefully driving over big rocks, you'd think the collision avoidance would be at least dialed back if not disabled.

I've been wondering about that. Had FSD not been engaged, what would have happened? Would it have moved forward? Or allow the hit to happen?

What would happen if you where in a situation surrounded by rioters threatening great bodily harm - would you even have the option to drive out? Or would the computer prevent that from happening? Would going to off-road mode make a difference? Since you are then purposefully driving over big rocks, you'd think the collision avoidance would be at least dialed back if not disabled.

It will let you run over the protesters.. just give it electrons...Or use the flame throwers built into the under-body...

 

[REM]

I love seeing real world examples of FSD outperforming humans! Great job with the footage.

Were you yelling at FSD at first when it lurched forward unexpectedly? I've had more than a handful of scenarios in which I owed FSD an apology lmao

 

[ABILISK]

I love seeing real world examples of FSD outperforming humans! Great job with the footage.

Were you yelling at FSD at first when it lurched forward unexpectedly? I've had more than a handful of scenarios in which I owed FSD an apology lmao

I was actually lol. I was looking out the front and it stopped for a fraction of a second then zoomed again. I was alone in the truck but yelled out loud “WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!” Then that dopey Impala passed me on the left all smashed up and I understood.

 

[HaulingAss]

On 2 occasions, my 2016 Model X beeped/flashed the take over immediately and swerved to the very edge of my lane on the highway while I was driving manually to avoid a truck drifting into my lane. This was back before FSD Beta, so I have no idea if the same code exists in the stack today.

That's funny, most people who use FSD swears it improves safety, while those with no experience claim it's killing everyone and making the roads a more dangerous place. Both things can't be true, so I'm going with the people who have actual first-hand experience using it! Oh, and the crash statistics!

I'm not sure why the owner's manuals don't detail the various accident avoidance features in the code, but it's obvious there's more than just FCW/AEB when driving manually.

I don't think the accident avoidance features of FSD are coded in the typical "if then" sense, it just observes and reacts. No one, including the FSD team, can really detail the accident avoidance features, except to say that it naturally tries to avoid collisions.

 

[ABILISK]

I don't think the accident avoidance features of FSD are coded in the typical "if then" sense, it just observes and reacts. No one, including the FSD team, can really detail the accident avoidance features, except to say that it naturally tries to avoid collisions.

Great way of putting it. FSD, much like Optimus, is robot that observes the world around it and is artificially intelligent. It’s like if someone wanted a manual for Optimus with all possible voice inputs and outputs - not gonna happen.

 

[Sxksxk]

I don't use FSD that often, but sometimes when I do I'm surprised at the things it sees (but I don't know it sees).

Recently was in FSD on a highway and it was going to switch from the left to the right lane. Between lanes there was a bunch of re-tire from a semi. I was about to take over as is started to switch and then the truck when back to the left lane to avoid the re-tire and didn't switch lanes until the lanes were clear. Was pretty impressed.

 

[HaulingAss]

I don't use FSD that often, but sometimes when I do I'm surprised at the things it sees (but I don't know it sees).

Recently was in FSD on a highway and it was going to switch from the left to the right lane. Between lanes there was a bunch of re-tire from a semi. I was about to take over as is started to switch and then the truck when back to the left lane to avoid the re-tire and didn't switch lanes until the lanes were clear. Was pretty impressed.

Nice! And it just keeps getting better.

Version 14 is supposed to the be the second biggest functional improvement ever, only beat by the release of version 12. Coming to a Tesla near you soon!

 

[eswimm]

I don't think the accident avoidance features of FSD are coded in the typical "if then" sense, it just observes and reacts. No one, including the FSD team, can really detail the accident avoidance features, except to say that it naturally tries to avoid collisions.

That's one of the things I considered as well. When FSD is in control, there's no easy way to tell if something is actually coded to react in a specific way (like FCW or AEB would be) or if the reaction is just it trying to drive without hitting something.

In my case though, I was driving manually, not even using TACC at the time. So it was clearly a reaction to something entering my lane even though it wasn't in control. It's also the reason I don't know if it exists in the same capacity today, since so much of the software has changed since then.

 

[IraS]

That's funny, most people who use FSD swears it improves safety, while those with no experience claim it's killing everyone and making the roads a more dangerous place. Both things can't be true, so I'm going with the people who have actual first-hand experience using it! Oh, and the crash statistics!

And I'm with them - even with its quirks, FSD improves safety IMO. Problem is, if even if FSD is 3 (random number just used for comparison) times safer than a human driver, every FSD accident will make it appear that it's flawed and should not be approved.

But back to the original thread, this is amazing. Didn't know it did that!

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