Cold Feet and ICE

[tingmo13]

first of all, switching to EV is like removing the training wheels on kid's bike-the excitement & freedom. V8 gone the gas station owner gonna miss you badly.

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[AxelR]

911 to M3 performance. Happy with the decision (every once in a while I miss the 911 but overall not super useful car).

Raptor to Rivian R1S almost a year ago… I still miss the Raptor. Slower but better looks, more comfortable, more exciting. Maybe the CT will make us forget the Raptor.

 

[Cyberer]

I own several ICE classics from the 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's. I can't imaging a scenario where I would ever purchase a brand new ICE vehicle, however. The C8 Corvette is tempting, but still not enough to make me do it.

 

[jookyone]

I can always tell when someone is new to EVs (<5 years) because they still have their battery read out in miles/km.

What an odd and condescending take. Have you only driven Teslas? Because I have a Fiat 500e (good for about 100 miles, unless you turn on the AC then it goes to about 86 miles, then to about 54 miles if you hit winds, go over 60mph etc.) and this is my sixth Tesla, and if you tried to compare 50% battery in any of those vehicles you'd be on the side of the road in some scenario or another. I have almost 1 million miles across 8 Teslas that have come thru my garage, and even on the same vehicle (for instance my first Model X that has 233k miles and still kicking) you can't rely on the percentage to give you an adequate conceptual understanding of whether you can make it to the grocery store and back on 14% battery. You might know that you can get to your preferred grocery store, or your school, or your <insert whatever> but it doesn't translate to any other journey you might take. Google Maps is transportation agnostic (walking, train, flight, driving) and the unit of measure is miles/km. Statistically and factually you are wrong on this one. Don't have the new EV adopter switching to percentage because "only the veteran EV users use percentage" and then have them stranded on the road when it's literally not a thing.

 

[HaulingAss]

What an odd and condescending take. Have you only driven Teslas? Because I have a Fiat 500e (good for about 100 miles, unless you turn on the AC then it goes to about 86 miles, then to about 54 miles if you hit winds, go over 60mph etc.) and this is my sixth Tesla, and if you tried to compare 50% battery in any of those vehicles you'd be on the side of the road in some scenario or another. I have almost 1 million miles across 8 Teslas that have come thru my garage, and even on the same vehicle (for instance my first Model X that has 233k miles and still kicking) you can't rely on the percentage to give you an adequate conceptual understanding of whether you can make it to the grocery store and back on 14% battery. You might know that you can get to your preferred grocery store, or your school, or your <insert whatever> but it doesn't translate to any other journey you might take. Google Maps is transportation agnostic (walking, train, flight, driving) and the unit of measure is miles/km. Statistically and factually you are wrong on this one. Don't have the new EV adopter switching to percentage because "only the veteran EV users use percentage" and then have them stranded on the road when it's literally not a thing.

I use both miles and percentage, probably more often percentage (because it usually doesn't matter). But the miles gives me 3X the granularity, if that's even needed, generally not.

I don't think the statement was condescending, maybe more of an observation. But, yeah, it's not iron clad.

 

[jookyone]

But the miles gives me 3X the granularity, if that's even needed, generally not.

I'm trying to stay on topic as this is a question about the jump to EV from ICE, so I appreciate the strong point you make about granularity. I'll take it a step further...
If you are trying to get people to go EV and someone is making the argument that "the tank" (ie percentage for EV and "E-------|-------F" for ICE) was the preferred user experience for driving, it's just wrong. It wasn't ideal and now it's made archaic with modern technology. All new cars can give you a range for the fuel you put into it. It just wasn't possible for a large portion of the existence of automobiles. We literally have an entire system of vehicle assessment (MPG) that translates the archaic inability of vehicles to turn gallons/percentage/tank size into miles/km or you'd never be able to compare them and get to the same places on 5 gallons of gas.

 

[jookyone]

To the OP, the change to EV from ICE is a transformative one, and you just happen to be alive at its relatively early stages, but rest assured for 97% of the driving you do (still working on towing and maybe all-weather consistency) it's infinitely better and easy to assess. Cheers!

 

[tmeyer3]

What an odd and condescending take.

No offense intended! Just my limited observations in my small sphere of influence. I'll just return to lurking...

 

[DaBagBoy]

Exactly! I thought I liked the song of my 90-degree V-twin Ducati with open airbox and carbon performance pipes for the inherent nature of the sound but, what I discovered when I went electric, was that I was really associating the sound with power, with forward thrust. I didn't like the sound for sound itself, but for the association with performance, with the way the engine would accelerate me. In other words, I was ignorant in thinking the sound had inherently good qualities.

After buying my Model 3 Performance, I started associating the sound of a gas engine with being slow and having nebulous and delayed throttle control. I didn't know the throttle had a delay in it back then, on a particularly responsive ICE vehicle it felt instantaneous to me. But what I learned when I went electric, was that all ICE cars have terrible lag to the throttle, a lack of torque when you need it, and they apply power to the pavement in a very uneven manner, interspersed with shifts and marred by torque curves that are far from flat. I used to enjoy getting the most out of an engine by knowing what gear to use (even in automatics) and when to shift to minimize the power delivery problems (or increase efficiency and reduce the cost of fueling, depending upon which driving mode I was in). That all suddenly vanished.

Now even the most modern and sophisticed ICE vehicle feels antiquated and like it has major faults with the power delivery. The small vibrations signal a crude and out-dated machine, even the sound of the exhaust has changed meaning, from something I used to relish, to something that signals impotence.

When I went electric, I learned that my liking of the exhaust note was simply ignorance that there was something better. That fact doesn't stop pro oil and gas interests from waxing poetic about the wondrous ICE sounds that you can't live without. That's either ignorance talking, or a strategy to slow the exodous from ICE vehicles. They are not above waxing poetic about exhaust noises simply to make people think twice before they stop contributing to their oil and gas revenue streams.

exactly for most of us it became a Pavlov's dog type thing where we loved the power and speed, the huge noise was just like the little bell that signaled we were about to be HaulingAss.

After a few weeks in my 3 I divorced the sound from the power and have never been concerned since, only feel sympathy for those loud obnoxious inferior machines

 

[DaBagBoy]

Get a custom wrap to make it look like a Chevy truck and nobody will notice. Tesla did Tundra and F-150 wraps to camo the test models before release

Or as we do in Lansing camouflage your Chevy to look like a Cybertruck

 

[HaulingAss]

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Unfortunately, that's not a good imitation, it makes it readily apparent how stunningly good looking the Cybertruck really is. Not everyone has Franz's design talents, even if it's essentially a triangle they are trying to copy.

 

[jookyone]

No offense intended! Just my limited observations in my small sphere of influence. I'll just return to lurking...

Sorry, I guess I'm like a helicopter when converting ICE people to EV. Thanks for contributing to the conversion... I mean conversation. Cheers!

 

[WHIZZARD OF OZ]

So…
I’m supposed to take delivery of my CT very soon (this week?).

I currently drive a new Silverado Trail Boss Z71 with a V8 and a nice custom grumbly exhaust.

While driving the last few days, I’m remembering how much I love the physical feedback when mashing the accelerator - the lurching and the roar of the exhaust.

I’ve driven a Model 3 once, but never owned an EV, so I’m starting to worry…

Am I going to end up being heartbroken? Haha

Just curious of others’ experience and thoughts…

You're almost there ....
Let me help you over the line.
I was the first curator of the FOX Car Collection here in Australia when l was 26!
I've had the absolute privilege of driving some of the world's most beautiful cars. The '56 300 SL Gullwing shines for me!
To this date, l am yet to drive an EV, even though l've been shotgun in an S and Y.
Like so many out there, l too consider myself a 'petrol head' particularly as l drag raced in the '90s. On paper, the transition to driving a CYBERBEAST should be mind blowing! We're entering a NEW WORLD.....even if it's only in my imagination. Enjoy the Ride!

 

[bdesign]

I own several ICE classics from the 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's. I can't imaging a scenario where I would ever purchase a brand new ICE vehicle, however. The C8 Corvette is tempting, but still not enough to make me do it.

I’ll need to pay you a visit to take a ride in said classics… you know… to help me overcome my apprehension and stuff.

it’s the least you could do.

 

[bdesign]

No offense intended! Just my limited observations in my small sphere of influence. I'll just return to lurking...

come on now, I wanna see them tractors

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