Cyberbeast vs Wild Turkey

[silvercybersurfer]

Just hit a wild turkey on the way home going about 60 mph. I guess there's a little damage to my right side frunk. I'm pretty sure I can pull it out and I'll let yall know how it goes. I was in FSD when it happened and there was less than 1 second to react so it was unavoidable. Wish it hit my Tsportline bumper instead, guess I got to get the bull bar.

Right side (hit)

Left Side (normal)

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[silvercybersurfer]

After cleaning it, there's no actual damage, I'm fairly certain that the gap shown in the pictures is a panel misalignment that I never noticed before. I might just take it to the SC or loosen some of the bolts holding that side myself. After taking a look it seems easy to do.

 

[REM]

poor turk-turk :\

 

[That Beast Mode]

Why did the turkey cross the..... Nevermind.....

 

[FarAway]

Just picked the wrong bird....

 

[hemiarch]

It’s almost the right time for fresh roadkill. Lol

 

[Florida]

 

[MInnesooooooota]

I am surprised FSD didn't react. It would have known there were no cars in the other lane / behind, etc. I guess AI is slower than code.

I am sure I would have reacted. Probably would still have hit Mr. Turkey but my reflexes would have moved the wheel to the left.

 

[hemiarch]

AI has no mercy.

 

[BeFamousVideo]

That turkey didn't look first before crossing the road. Its great to hear there is no damage.

 

[hemiarch]

That turkey didn't look first before crossing the road. Its great to hear there is no damage.

 

[TyPope]

First thing we trained our drivers in Montana and North Dakota: Do NOT swerve to hit OR miss wildlife.

 

[hemiarch]

First thing we trained our drivers in Montana and North Dakota: Do NOT swerve to hit OR miss wildlife.

Exactly. FSD knows exactly what it’s doing. It’s just merciless as I pointed out before.
No sentiment or intent, just statistical safety.
Which begs the question, what happens when there is an ethical dilemma?
Let’s say you can hit a lady with a stroller in the street or swerve and hit an old man.
How does it reason through that?
Or maybe it doesn’t, it just does nothing like it did here and the determination of who gets hurt is just as simple as first come, first serve. That inaction is in fact interpretable as an action to a human driver though, isn’t it?

 

[TyPope]

Exactly. FSD knows exactly what it’s doing. It’s just merciless as I pointed out before.
No sentiment or intent, just statistical safety.
Which begs the question, what happens when there is an ethical dilemma?
Let’s say you can hit a lady with a stroller in the street or swerve and hit an old man.
How does it reason through that?
Or maybe it doesn’t, it just does nothing like it did here and the determination of who gets hurt is just as simple as first come, first serve. That inaction is in fact interpretable as an action to a human driver though, isn’t it?

How to bake in moral dilemmas and where does that put the driver? Things we haven't had to worry about in the past.

If you are using FSD and mow down that old man, do you think "OMG, I just killed that man!" or do you think "OMG, FSD just killed that man!" Moral dilemma... and this will depend on where each person stands. "FSD still requires driver attention." "FSD should know better!"

IF we assume that FSD will eventually be able to discern the difference between the old man and the woman with a stroller, who sets the precedence in the programming? "FSD will strike the old man first because he's old."?

If it were two women of different races, how does it prioritize if it has to? Does it randomize the choice (given either will have the same outcome to the woman and the CT driver)?

Man, we are in interesting times.

 

[silvercybersurfer]

How to bake in moral dilemmas and where does that put the driver? Things we haven't had to worry about in the past.

If you are using FSD and mow down that old man, do you think "OMG, I just killed that man!" or do you think "OMG, FSD just killed that man!" Moral dilemma... and this will depend on where each person stands. "FSD still requires driver attention." "FSD should know better!"

IF we assume that FSD will eventually be able to discern the difference between the old man and the woman with a stroller, who sets the precedence in the programming? "FSD will strike the old man first because he's old."?

If it were two women of different races, how does it prioritize if it has to? Does it randomize the choice (given either will have the same outcome to the woman and the CT driver)?

Man, we are in interesting times.

It's a programming dilemma that's existed long before AI. When there's no right or wrong answer to the trolley problem (i.e. both tracks have them same person on them), what is the solution? Random choice is usually the preferred option in that event. Also, given the recent judgment against Tesla, it doesn't bode well for the future of having hard coded solutions to various scenarios. Even if the solution is proven to have minimized the loss of life, there's legal precedent that the programmer is still at fault.

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