Cyberbeast vs Wild Turkey

[hemiarch]

Yeah. It’s a lot more complicated than people think and about to get all kinds of legally ambiguous with having multiple autonomous services programmed in different ways running in parallel.
Cybercab, Waymo, the Amazon service etc.
In medical malpractice the question is often asked, what would a reasonable physician do under the circumstance? so does that mean the same questions have to apply to the driving AI? What would a reasonable driving AI peer have done under the circumstance and if cybercab wouldn't have caused injury but Waymo did, does that mean it was misprogrammed and that programmer is at fault? I’m guessing the lawyers on here have a better idea of all this than me but when I think about the future of this I come up with more questions than answers.

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[That Beast Mode]

That turkey didn't look first before crossing the road. Its great to hear there is no damage.

Tell the no damage thing to the turkey and see how he feels about that one. lol

 

[That Beast Mode]

Exactly. FSD knows exactly what it’s doing. It’s just merciless as I pointed out before.
No sentiment or intent, just statistical safety.
Which begs the question, what happens when there is an ethical dilemma?
Let’s say you can hit a lady with a stroller in the street or swerve and hit an old man.
How does it reason through that?
Or maybe it doesn’t, it just does nothing like it did here and the determination of who gets hurt is just as simple as first come, first serve. That inaction is in fact interpretable as an action to a human driver though, isn’t it?

I know it doesn't really answer an ethical dilemma because there is no right answer, but if there's a woman with a stroller, it's a fair assumption there's a baby in there and it would take 2 lives possibly. Idk if AI would ever be sentient enough to determine a call like that, it's a lose lose scenario. I do know one thing tho, it didn't flinch at that turkey and the turkey definitely lost.

 

[hemiarch]

I know it doesn't really answer an ethical dilemma because there is no right answer, but if there's a woman with a stroller, it's a fair assumption there's a baby in there and it would take 2 lives possibly. Idk if AI would ever be sentient enough to determine a call like that, it's a lose lose scenario. I do know one thing tho, it didn't flinch at that turkey and the turkey definitely lost.

Had you been driving though, you probably would have swerved and slowed just a little at least. Even at a modest risk to yourself. I’m not saying you’d slam the brakes and head straight into oncoming traffic, but you probably wouldn’t have just plowed through that bird completely unphased and that makes AI a different type of driver than most humans. Not better or worse, just different.
I added the stroller deliberately in that example situation to make there be a somewhat logical answer as you point out, but the reality won’t always be that. More likely it will a fairly even decision it has to make and it’s there where I’d have the hardest time trusting it.
I contend there are decisions that are made by the “soul” that no super computer can ever make.
You know, hitting a 19 in blackjack or telling your child they can’t go out just because you have a “bad feeling”. That sort of thing.

 

[That Beast Mode]

Had you been driving though, you probably would have swerved and slowed just a little at least. Even at a modest risk to yourself. I’m not saying you’d slam the brakes and head straight into oncoming traffic, but you probably wouldn’t have just plowed through that bird completely unphased and that makes AI a different type of driver than most humans. Not better or worse, just different.
I added the stroller deliberately in that example situation to make there be a somewhat logical answer as you point out, but the reality won’t always be that. More likely it will a fairly even decision it has to make and it’s there where I’d have the hardest time trusting it.
I contend there are decisions that are made by the “soul” that no super computer can ever make.
You know, hitting a 19 in blackjack or telling your child they can’t go out just because you have a “bad feeling”. That sort of thing.

Of course, probably as a reflex or knee jerk reaction, you see anything running towards the front of your car, you're going to swerve the wheel out of instinct alone where the AI didn't budge, for all we know it either didn't detect it as an object or it made a decision and didn't see the turkey as a risk worth taking.
Adding the stroller makes it somewhat answerable for me, but the outcomes are awful, but to me killing a baby is more awful than an old man. I wouldn't want either outcome, but in this scenario I'm assuming there is no other option. I think it would have to be to the point that the AI makes at least as good a decision as a normal human could reasonably. make, but hopefully better. The last example is more of a deja-vu or a superstitious feeling type thing that I don't know how it would even be possible to make a computer rationalize that. Like could you program Optimus to be afraid to walk under ladders or of black cats? I mean im sure you could program it to do it, but to have a genuine fear of something unknown. It's an interesting topic... ethics class always was.

 

[Crissa]

That turkey didn't look first before crossing the road. Its great to hear there is no damage.

Animals have no innate sense of speed or distance; there's nothing in nature except predatory birds that go that fast, pretty much nothing is adapted to worrying about things more than forty feet away; the usual distance to flee is twenty feet.

Basically, they just guess, and the panic of that guess triggers too late at highway speeds.

-Crissa

 

[HaulingAss]

Hitting a 25 lb. bird going 65 mph is going to do some expensive damage to an F-150, Ram or Silverado, like a smashed in body panel or crushed front grill.
The Cybertruck is the only pickup this tough.

 

[hemiarch]

Hitting a 25 lb. bird going 65 mph is going to do some expensive damage to an F-150, Ram or Silverado, like a smashed in body panel or crushed front grill.
The Cybertruck is the only pickup this tough.

And this remorseless . Tesla engineers, we need a contrition mode in FSD.

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