Cybertruck FSD update

[Texarado]

You have a hard time imagining that or something very similar to it splattered all over the Internet on 10/11?

This has all been an entertaining thread and I agree with a lot of what you’ve said above. But… Elon doesn’t mind the headlines. I hope it’s out by 10/10, but after sitting through 6 years of an M3 that would get incremental updates on things and waiting on various features, I have no real belief it will be here by 10/10. Hopefully EOY, but I genuinely don’t believe he’s swayed by being criticized for “Elon time.” When released, it will be amazing even if it takes awhile to get there.

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[dalton108]

No Tesla car can actually drive by itself. I don't think that will hinder 10/10. It's an announcement/unveil, not a launch.

Let’s get some f-ing clarity here (cause this is getting tiresome):

1) It’s not my prediction! Someone intimated that they had insider knowledge said that he’s going to announce it as one more thing or something like that on 10/10.

2. I said in response to that post that it makes sense and gave the reasons why I think it makes sense.

3. You can disagree with both the prediction and my conjecture on why that would make sense. But this back-and-forth bullshit about your insistence that it’s not going to happen is BEYOND stupid. I’ve merely said that there are reasons that would make sense.

You don’t have any superior knowledge. Every single one us who owns Teslas understands how most of this works. I’ve been on beta on two different vehicles since the days when you had to get 100% driving score before you could opt in.

Pontificate all you want, but stop acting like you have the final word on what’s going to happen. Because, just like the rest of us - you don’t know.

 

[SCTesla]

Let’s get some f-ing clarity here (cause this is getting tiresome):

1) It’s not my prediction! Someone intimated that they had insider knowledge said that he’s going to announce it as one more thing or something like that on 10/10.

2. I said in response to that post that it makes sense and gave the reasons why I think it makes sense.

3. You can disagree with both the prediction and my conjecture on why that would make sense. But this back-and-forth bullshit about your insistence that it’s not going to happen is BEYOND stupid. I’ve merely said that there are reasons that would make sense.

You don’t have any superior knowledge. Every single one us who owns Teslas understands how most of this works. I’ve been on beta on two different vehicles since the days when you had to get 100% driving score before you could opt in.

Pontificate all you want, but stop acting like you have the final word on what’s going to happen. Because, just like the rest of us - you don’t know.

I never said it wasn't going to happen. I just rebutted that it would make Tesla look bad if it didn't.

It could, hell, it could happen before that, but it also may not.

I don't think it has any bearing to 10/10 and what will be shown.

It seems like you misread what I said.

 

[dalton108]

I never said it wasn't going to happen. I just rebutted that it would make Tesla look bad if it didn't.

It could, hell, it could happen before that, but it also may not.

I don't think it has any bearing to 10/10 and what will be shown.

Yet, you keep throwing up this strawman argument (as if though at some point I either didn’t understand or thought that this was a product launch). It’s irrelevant.

“I don't think it has any bearing to 10/10 and what will be shown.”

And no one has ever suggested anything like that. Strawman! At best, this is a bass ackwards restatement of the posit. What was proposed, again not by me, was that at the end of the presentation, Elon, might do a mic drop and announce that FSD for Cybertruck is live.

Take Elon out of it. This corporation is making a major announcement about Robotaxis which they have said is the future of their business and they have also launched a flagship vehicle promising that FSD would be coming soon. They’re going to want people to believe that they have Robotaxis coming at some point and at the same time be derelict in releasing it to a product that has been widely criticized for not having it.

If you don’t think that creates pressure for an organization to try and make sure that before the boss goes out and says, “hey we’re the best there is and watch this demo of our car driving all around Disney by itself and soon you’re going to be able to hail one of these on your own,” then I literally can’t help you my man! One of their head team members already put out an image indicating the pressure that they’re under, ffs!

Elon may have no compunction, but I bet you his engineers do. If you don’t think it matters then you don’t understand corporations/brands. It fucking matters.

Again, we’ll know soon enough. And if they fail to do so, which is entirely possible (just as it is possible that they will have a single stack ready to go so that they can meet the deadline), then you I’ll guaran-goddamn-tee that you will see the types of articles that I predicted above and people will absolutely lambast him (more than usual). He’s the one at the top of the organization and he’ll be the one trying to convince the world that Tesla has got this handled when they can’t even put it out on their flagship truck. That he doesn’t care doesn’t change those facts.

There’s nothing to argue with in this statement. And put a finer point on it, it absolutely will make Tesla look bad if they’re out talking about how they’ve solved Robotaxis and they can’t get supervised full self driving on the Cybertruck. Whether the boss accepts or is personally motivated by that particular forthcoming criticism is a different kettle of fish. It’s going to happen. Even if they do release it in advance of 10/10 they’re still going to be criticized.

The FUD will flow.

 

[SCTesla]

Yet, you keep throwing up this strawman argument (as if though at some point I either didn’t understand or thought that this was a product launch). It’s irrelevant.

take Elon out of it. This corporation is making a major announcement about Robo taxis which they have said is the future of their business and they have also launched a flagship vehicle promising that FSD would be coming soon. They’re going to want people to believe that they have Robotaxis coming at some point and at the same time be derelict in releasing it to a product that has been widely criticized for not having it.

If you don’t think that creates pressure for an organization to try and make sure that before the boss goes out and says, “hey we’re the best there is and watch this demo of our car driving all around Disney by itself and soon you’re going to be able to hail one of these on your own,” then I literally can’t help you my man!

Elon may have no compunction, but I bet you his engineers do. If you don’t think it matters then you don’t understand corporations/branch. It fucking matters.

Again, we’ll know soon enough. And if they fail to do so, which is entirely possible (just as it is possible that they will have a single stack ready to go so that they can meet the deadline), then you I’ll guaran-goddamn-tee that you will see the types of articles that I predicted above and people will absolutely lambast him (more than usual). He’s the one at the top of the organization and he’ll be the one trying to convince the world that Tesla has got this handled when they can’t even put it out on their flagship truck. That he doesn’t care doesn’t change those facts.

There’s nothing to argue with in this statement.

It seems this is a sensitive subject for you.

Again, I never said they wouldn't. I was only trying to quell expectations and state my opinion that it doesn't really matter if they do or don't deliver FSD to the CT before or during. It seems most agree with that. Elon's retweet that this is a platform unveil was in response to someone saying, "How are we going to have a RT when FSD isn't finished".

It was not an argument, in any facet, until you randomly made it one. I think the odds are in your favor. In fact, I think the odds are the highest that we will see employee influencer FSD for the CT before the reveal. So I'm not disagreeing that it's possible only that Elon has made it clear this is a forward looking reveal like the CT reveal was.

 

[dalton108]

Don’t confuse assertiveness with investment. I argue for a living.

 

[CyberGus]

Don’t confuse assertiveness with investment. I argue for a living.

No you don't

 

[CyberGus]

FWIW, over at TMC there are people who've been waiting up to 10 years for their FSD investment to pay off, with many threads detailing how the disaffected were going to storm the gates with a class-action suit to Make Elon Pay! And then... crickets.

Not even Mike and Harvey could get a payday out of this issue.

BTW, the "Foundation" etching was $20k, and the FSD was free ?‍

 

[CyberJay]

Ashok Elluswamy

Shalom us weakly
Walla, Musky Hoes
Weakly ashame soul
Always sulk Home
Allow Musk "yeahs"

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

“Elon Musk (former worlds richest man and Internet troll) announces “Robotaxis” that are supposed to drive themselves (when they’re not spontaneously combusting), meanwhile cybertruck still doesn’t have FSD released after continual delays!” - Automotive Expert Magazine

You have a hard time imagining that or something very similar to it splattered all over the Internet on 10/11?

OK. Talk about funny. ?

We shall not have very long to wait to find out who’s instincts are better tuned.

When I see what is splattered all over the internet on a moment to moment basis I would not be surprised by anything. That is a far cry from what was posted that I responded to. If we don’t get FSD by 10/10 nothing in the world will change on 10/11 (due to that one fact). No matter what happens on 10/10 there will be an amazing amount of chatter immediately thereafter, and I wonder how much of that, if any, will be true.

 

[HaulingAss]

Wasn't Ashok the one on the earnings call that was on with Elon stating that FSD for other car makers would just be a simple 'flip the switch' for FSD? And Tesla still can't get CT to work

It's all context and FSD is still very much a work in progress. The "flip the switch" comment is relative to once Tesla is ready to market FSD to other makers.

Relative to how difficult it is to build a system from scratch, it really is like flipping a switch on most cars that have a physical size and steering geometry of a previously validated FSD model.

The Cybertruck requires a bit more development due to size and steering differences. It's also not a high priority because there are only 40K in the wild. So they have a small team adapting and validating it. Cybertruck can drive on FSD right now, but it would be irresponsible to release it to the public before it is refined for those differences and tested and validated to be on par with the safety and functionality of other models that already have validated FSD models.

Once FSD in general is a mature product, teams working to port it to other vehicles will have a much larger library of already validated vehicle sizes to "cut and paste" from, with just minor tweaks to accomodate any unique differences of that particular vehicle, so it really will be like flipping a switch, especially from the perspective of an automaker who can just buy the already validated product from Tesla for that car model and turn it on. That's not to say that Tesla wouldn't have to validate it on that model first. Most car models are so similar that very little tweaking, if any, would need to be done. The Cybertruck doesn't fall into that category, at least not at this point in time, because FSD has never been developed for any vehicle with such a high GVWR, which changes the braking dynamics, steering dynamics (especially in an accident avoidance manuever), etc.

In time they will have FSD models suitable for almost all cars, just a matter of validating the model and flipping a switch.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

No you don't

Given the use of language and how easily @dalton108 gets upset, it is hard to imagine that s/he is very successful in argument. But I do not argue for a living so what do I know

 

[HaulingAss]

It’s hard to find a good lawyer these days… In between the four corners of my agreement it states “You agree to purchase the vehicle (the “Vehicle”) described in your Vehicle Configuration from Tesla, Inc.” and in the Vehicle Configuration addendum it states “Full Self-Driving Capability”. I’d argue without the software, I do not have these capability. Now, I remember Tesla had me accept a separate web term related to FSD, post order, obviously because they were worried about exposing themselves to unnecessary liabilities. I might not have a great case, but I’d still like to pressure them to do right by their customers.

You must be new to entering into purchase and sale agreements.

Or, maybe you decided not to read it? ?‍

 

[txtravwill]

I'd say at some point we would exceed a "reasonable expectation" for delivery of a $7/8000 value promise of FSD, and at that point a legal ramification could occur.

What is reasonable IMHO, prob a year which we are approaching in a few months.

 

[HaulingAss]

Given the use of language and how easily @dalton108 gets upset, it is hard to imagine that s/he is very successful in argument. But I do not argue for a living so what do I know

That's a baffling perspective. Because I didn't see @dalton108 get upset about anything. Given the lame arguments presented against his learned and experienced perspectives, he had every right to be upset. But he maintained his cool and shared his knowledge.

What's funny is the way people completely ignorant in contract law, and lacking what should be common sense, pretend like he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Must be a combination of the new entitlement, wokeism and lack of critical thinking skills that has infected people these days.

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