Dealing with FSD and Pay attention to the road

[mark555055c]

This is like antenna-gate with Apple telling people “you’re holding the phone wrong.” ?

He’s looking around too quickly?!? What is the government standard looking around speed, pray tell?

You guys are bananas! If it’s not affecting you it’s not affecting you. They dialed it up too high and need to back it off. It’s just that simple.

I’ve been driving for 40 years (at fault accident free) and I’m teaching this car how to drive, not the other way around. I know exactly how much I need to pay attention to the road versus fidgeting with controls inside of my vehicle.

We don’t need Elon, you, the government or anybody else telling us whether a nanny system is too sensitive.

Tesla has every right to make it as sensitive as they want it to be. But if this continues I’m going to stop using it. And I’m not concerned about you naysayers because I know the Tesla engineers are sensitive to this and they have made modifications over the many years that I’ve been using FSD, and they will again.

Chuck Cook saying that it is hypersensitive - with his direct line to the engineers - is going to move this needle far faster than anything we say or do here. So, I don’t have the slightest concern that this won’t be addressed.

LOL. It's just an algo. Sensitivity will be reduced as FSD improves and gets closer to unsupervised.

Right now, i want maximum nanny as there are too many folks out there fiddling with phones and doing other things while driving. This is FSD supervised and needs to be treated like a teen driver, so, full attention. The last thing we need is some viral accident video that gives NHTSA ammo to force an FSD "recall", or to force more nanny onto FSD like adding back steering wheel tension or something.

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[dalton108]

LOL. It's just an algo. Sensitivity will be reduced as FSD improves and gets closer to unsupervised.

Right now, i want maximum nanny as there are too many folks out there fiddling with phones and doing other things while driving. This is FSD supervised and needs to be treated like a teen driver, so, full attention. The last thing we need is NHTSA having ammo to force an FSD "recall", or to force more nanny onto FSD like adding back steering wheel tension or something.

This is exactly my point. That is why it has gone full helicopter-mom. They have over corrected and will dial it back.

But, there’s that cognitive dissonance again (The Real Mind-Killer™️.

Let me sincerely say, I’m not picking on you, I’m pointing this out as a general feature of modern life.

Are you for big government or against it? Because far too many people that claim that they are seem to be confused. They really do seem to want the government to control other people’s behaviors/actions, but just leave them alone.

Tesla wants to protect themselves both from government oversight/interference and potential lawsuits from private parties. So, it’s a difficult balancing act.

 

[mark555055c]

This is exactly my point. That is why it has gone full helicopter-mom. They have over corrected and will dial it back.

But, there’s that cognitive dissonance again (The Real Mind-Killer™️.

Let me sincerely say, I’m not picking on you, I’m pointing this out as a general feature of modern life.

Are you for big government or against it? Because far too many people that claim that they are seem to be confused. They really do seem to want the government to control other people’s behaviors/actions, but just leave them alone.

Tesla wants to protect themselves both from government oversight/interference and potential lawsuits from private parties. So, it’s a difficult balancing act.

Yeah, don’t get me wrong, I’m coming at it from a Tesla investor perspective, and someone who loves FSD and wants to see it succeed, meaning, little to no government interference.

 

[Bobo_LaDouche]

CT 13.2 dings me at least every 5 minutes, sometimes more. Model 3 FSD dinged me once or twice when I started using it, but has been extremely calm since then. Many of the warnings with the CT have to do with driving out of the lane, wiper annoyances, weird lane changes, tailgating, and other raw driving behavior. The Model 3 has perfected these behaviors, so I expect the CT will also, given enough user data.

 

[swinefeaster]

Get flashing red band across top of screen for no reason—nothing stops it except disengage FSD. My CT won’t reboot with pressing both scroll wheels same time.

huh? you got to hold them down for a while. if it doesnt reboot, you got issues!

 

[swinefeaster]

i do wish it was speed based. when i'm in stop and go traffic on a one lane road going 5mph, i should be allowed to respond to text messages and play with my phone !

 

[OldDirtyRobot]

I don’t see how this comment adds any value here. You personally don’t have issues so no one else should?

Also, what does “very few” attention notifications mean? It’s my understanding that it only takes 3 for you to lose access to FSD.

For the “very few” attention notifications, were you truly not paying attention or were they in error?

I think most people having issues aren't aware, or worse, being honest about what they are doing. If you are messing with the screen constantly, staring out the side window, or the mother of all attention notification sins, messing with your phone, the system will nag you. Here's value add suggestion, pay attention, leave your phone alone. If you need to swipe through the screen a bunch, or look at your phone, take it off FSD while you do it, or learn voice and wheel controls.

 

[OldDirtyRobot]

Agree to disagree. This may have been the least YOU have experienced, but clearly many others are experiencing something quite different. If the thread is that tiresome, maybe don't click on it?

I do find it useful to know that some others would subjectively say that they believe this version has been the least attention warnings. Valid data points.

After years of seeing people abuse FSD, and Autopilot, the mistrust is warranted. Anyone remember wheel weights?

 

[DAE1]

I think most people having issues aren't aware, or worse, being honest about what they are doing. If you are messing with the screen constantly, staring out the side window, or the mother of all attention notification sins, messing with your phone, the system will nag you. Here's value add suggestion, pay attention, leave your phone alone. If you need to swipe through the screen a bunch, or look at your phone, take it off FSD while you do it, or learn voice and wheel controls.

You completely ignored my questions and keep assuming it’s all a conspiracy of phone users. Have you ever considered that there may be others who are just as attentive as you but are having issues with false warnings? You admitted to having warnings, so I ask again if they were warranted or not?

 

[Jacob]

I have played with FSD a bit and I've always wondered; If I engage FSD without putting in a destination, FSD will take me there. I don't know where, but it's taking me there! Now I've never just let it run it's course (and maybe sometime soon I will) just to see where it'll take me but it has taken me pretty far before I took over and went back. Also to note is that it doesn't repeat the same path always. I wish that you could use the turn signal to tell FSD to turn instead of maintaining it's current route or cancel the turn signal if you instead want to continue forward.
I also wonder if at some point FSD will avoid pot holes or dead animals. Anyone ever witnessed this?

 

[swinefeaster]

I have played with FSD a bit and I've always wondered; If I engage FSD without putting in a destination, FSD will take me there. I don't know where, but it's taking me there! Now I've never just let it run it's course (and maybe sometime soon I will) just to see where it'll take me but it has taken me pretty far before I took over and went back. Also to note is that it doesn't repeat the same path always. I wish that you could use the turn signal to tell FSD to turn instead of maintaining it's current route or cancel the turn signal if you instead want to continue forward.
I also wonder if at some point FSD will avoid pot holes or dead animals. Anyone ever witnessed this?

It will only avoid a pothole if it has a dead animal inside it.

 

[DAE1]

It will only avoid a pothole if it has a dead animal inside it.

Wouldn’t that reduce the impact? ?

 

[REM]

For those of you who get nags more often, are you using the FSD visualization full screen? If not, give that a try and see if you receive them less often.

Having the visualization in full screen tells the system that you are less distracted by default and any quick glances at the center of the screen technically count as you monitoring the system (because you are looking to see what it is deciding to do in real-time) ... which of course is the whole purpose of the visualization.

A lot of people aren't picking up on subtle designs like this. I've been thinking about compiling a list of pro tips for FSD.

 

[DAE1]

For those of you who get nags more often, are you using the FSD visualization full screen? If not, give that a try and see if you receive them less often.

Having the visualization in full screen tells the system that you are less distracted by default and any quick glances at the center of the screen technically count as you monitoring the system (because you are looking to see what it is deciding to do in real-time) ... which of course is the whole purpose of the visualization.

A lot of people aren't picking up on subtle designs like this. I've been thinking about compiling a list of pro tips for FSD.

Awesome. Much appreciated. I’ll have to try that. I wish there were more contributors like yourself that were actually trying to help rather than troll.

 

[swinefeaster]

For those of you who get nags more often, are you using the FSD visualization full screen? If not, give that a try and see if you receive them less often.

Having the visualization in full screen tells the system that you are less distracted by default and any quick glances at the center of the screen technically count as you monitoring the system (because you are looking to see what it is deciding to do in real-time) ... which of course is the whole purpose of the visualization.

A lot of people aren't picking up on subtle designs like this. I've been thinking about compiling a list of pro tips for FSD.

wow i didn't realize this. i do use the full visualization a lot even when not in fsd as it helps me "visualize" where other vehicles are around me. super cool that they are taking this into account!

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