EVs are dead

[CyberGus]

I thought this was satire when I first read it, but I think they’re trying to be serious.



BMW says goodbye to electric cars. It has solved the problem of hydrogen engines and begins a new era

According to a recent report from Information Trends, hydrogen engines are likely to become the future of automobile transportation…


https://lagradaonline.com/en/bmw-hydrogen-engines/

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[SolarWizard]

that link isn't working for me but the supply chain is a big challenge for hydrogen.

 

[TexasRaider]

I thought this was satire when I first read it, but I think they’re trying to be serious.



BMW says goodbye to electric cars. It has solved the problem of hydrogen engines and begins a new era

According to a recent report from Information Trends, hydrogen engines are likely to become the future of automobile transportation…


https://lagradaonline.com/en/bmw-hydrogen-engines/

Of course.
My EV is NOT a person or animal. It’s not alive.
Clickbate.

 

[rudedawg78]

I thought this was satire when I first read it, but I think they’re trying to be serious.



BMW says goodbye to electric cars. It has solved the problem of hydrogen engines and begins a new era

According to a recent report from Information Trends, hydrogen engines are likely to become the future of automobile transportation…


https://lagradaonline.com/en/bmw-hydrogen-engines/

Gotta love the title over the article "BMW says goodbye to electric cars..." lol

I live right next to the BMW manufacturing plant and have several friends that work at the plant. They created a massive new addition to the plant to create their EVs. I must say their EVs are pretty nice, as well.

Yes, they are developing hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, but doubt they will say goodbye to EVs for a very long time.

 

[Cyberer]

I thought this was satire when I first read it, but I think they’re trying to be serious.



BMW says goodbye to electric cars. It has solved the problem of hydrogen engines and begins a new era

According to a recent report from Information Trends, hydrogen engines are likely to become the future of automobile transportation…


https://lagradaonline.com/en/bmw-hydrogen-engines/

Honda and GM looking hard at this too. I think distribution of the hydrogen vs electricity might be a consumer factor. Once you get used to plugging in at home, going somewhere to get fuel seems archaic.

Do hydrogen vehicles still need batteries for storage?

Regardless of how they are powered, I think the real future of who “owns” the personal transportation market hinges on autonomous driving.

 

[Coolbreeze704]

Honda and GM looking hard at this too. I think distribution of the hydrogen vs electricity might be a consumer factor. Once you get used to plugging in at home, going somewhere to get fuel seems archaic.

Do hydrogen vehicles still need batteries for storage?

Regardless of how they are powered, I think the real future of who “owns” the personal transportation market hinges on autonomous driving.

Great point on plugging at home. I love it and would be hesitant to have to go wait in lines again to fuel up.

Yes I believe on the battery storage. If I remember correctly hydrogen systems use battery packs also for storage.

 

[Coolbreeze704]

You know why Germany and Japan are pushing hydrogen?

They control all the limited and scarce hydrogen reserves!

Waiting, waiting

 

[JBee]

That article is a bit of a oxymoron.

It's still an electric vehicle, it's just that the electricity to drive the electric motor comes form a hydrogen fuel cell?

Fuel cells are more efficient than most ICE hydrogen engines of that smaller size. Although apparently Toyota still thinks hydrogen ICE is a good idea.

If anything just go renewable bio-methane fuel cell, and avoid all the hydrogen storage problems and you can use the existing Natural Gas infrastructure to pipe it around the country. Like they do in Germany, Sweden, Danemark and Switzerland already, and you can buy at gas stations there.

 

[Tiberius]

I thought BMW cancelled the hydrogen engine back before 2010?
Last year they were piloting fuel cells with some X5 SUVs
Hardly them saying goodbye to anything

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

I thought this was satire when I first read it, but I think they’re trying to be serious.



BMW says goodbye to electric cars. It has solved the problem of hydrogen engines and begins a new era

According to a recent report from Information Trends, hydrogen engines are likely to become the future of automobile transportation…


https://lagradaonline.com/en/bmw-hydrogen-engines/

There have been many evaluations of hydrogen-based fuel cell vehicles over the years. Apart from the volatility of hydrogen, the simple fact is that it takes electricity to produce hydrogen and that hydrogen is used to make electricity to power an otherwise electric drivetrain. So losses are simply compounded over a BEV solution. In order for hydrogren-based fuel cell vehicles to be better than BEVs the source of electricity to produce the hydrogen would have to be better than for BEVs, but at present time it is more likely that BEV electricity could be acquired through renewable resources than hydrogen, and most hydrogen-production methods are quite dirty. It is hard to imagine BMW, Toyota, or anyone really coming up with a hydrogen-based fuel cell vehicle that would be even close to BEVs, and so I cannot believe that it makes any difference, in the short/long run, what these manufacturers say.

 

[Wraven]

Is this some kind of new development because Hydrogen Engine and/or fuel cell cars still convert that into ELECTRICRICTY to power the ELECTRIC MOTORS.... So how is a vehicle that requires electricity as its primary motivator not still an EV? (HEV versus BEV?) Its like an EV with extra steps, and thus more complexity, maintenance and reliability issues?

 

[REM]

Hydrogen will be fantastic for the sea shipping industry.

Hydrogen is foolish for commuter vehicles.

 

[ÆCIII]

Hydrogen is an even worse sustainability process for local distribution, than delivering diesel with tanker trucks. Serious costs of heavy storage tanks with safety concerns, not to mention the costs and wastes of energy producing it, along with the expense of distributing it.

If hydrogen was such a great solution, then they would have have deployed as many hydrogen stations as Tesla has deployed superchargers by now.

MSM is always good at pie-in-the-sky narratives when EV or Tesla bashing agendas are being pushed. But I already ignore all MSM links anyway. That's the best advice.

- ÆCIII

 

[fhteagle]

Michael Barnard on CleanTechnica has done a pretty thorough job of debunking hydrogen as a fuel for basically anything. Hydrogen as an industrial input, especially for steel making, has a place. But it will be made and used in situ, not tankered or pipelined anywhere.

For everything else, there are better fuels or battery based solutions already in use, just need to scale.

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