EVs are dead

CyberGus

Well-known member
First Name
Gus
Joined
May 22, 2021
Threads
72
Messages
6,343
Reaction score
20,654
Location
Austin, TX
Website
www.timeanddate.com
Vehicles
1981 DeLorean, 2024 Cybertruck
Occupation
IT Specialist
Country flag
I thought this was satire when I first read it, but I think they’re trying to be serious. 🧐



BMW says goodbye to electric cars. It has solved the problem of hydrogen engines and begins a new era

According to a recent report from Information Trends, hydrogen engines are likely to become the future of automobile transportation…


https://lagradaonline.com/en/bmw-hydrogen-engines/
Sponsored

 

TexasRaider

Well-known member
First Name
JR
Joined
Jan 10, 2023
Threads
13
Messages
349
Reaction score
321
Location
Denton
Vehicles
Cybertruck + MS
Occupation
Civil
Country flag
I thought this was satire when I first read it, but I think they’re trying to be serious. 🧐



BMW says goodbye to electric cars. It has solved the problem of hydrogen engines and begins a new era

According to a recent report from Information Trends, hydrogen engines are likely to become the future of automobile transportation…


https://lagradaonline.com/en/bmw-hydrogen-engines/
Of course.
My EV is NOT a person or animal. It’s not alive. 🙄
Clickbate.
 

rudedawg78

Well-known member
First Name
Ernie
Joined
Jun 8, 2020
Threads
17
Messages
915
Reaction score
1,840
Location
South Carolina
Vehicles
2025 Cybertruck
Occupation
Retired USAF, Emergency Manager
Country flag
I thought this was satire when I first read it, but I think they’re trying to be serious. 🧐



BMW says goodbye to electric cars. It has solved the problem of hydrogen engines and begins a new era

According to a recent report from Information Trends, hydrogen engines are likely to become the future of automobile transportation…


https://lagradaonline.com/en/bmw-hydrogen-engines/
Gotta love the title over the article "BMW says goodbye to electric cars..." lol

I live right next to the BMW manufacturing plant and have several friends that work at the plant. They created a massive new addition to the plant to create their EVs. I must say their EVs are pretty nice, as well.

Yes, they are developing hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, but doubt they will say goodbye to EVs for a very long time.
 

Cyberer

Well-known member
First Name
KK
Joined
Dec 22, 2023
Threads
6
Messages
70
Reaction score
213
Location
Omaha
Vehicles
2014 S, Multiple Classics
Occupation
Cars
Country flag
I thought this was satire when I first read it, but I think they’re trying to be serious. 🧐



BMW says goodbye to electric cars. It has solved the problem of hydrogen engines and begins a new era

According to a recent report from Information Trends, hydrogen engines are likely to become the future of automobile transportation…


https://lagradaonline.com/en/bmw-hydrogen-engines/
Honda and GM looking hard at this too. I think distribution of the hydrogen vs electricity might be a consumer factor. Once you get used to plugging in at home, going somewhere to get fuel seems archaic.

Do hydrogen vehicles still need batteries for storage?

Regardless of how they are powered, I think the real future of who “owns” the personal transportation market hinges on autonomous driving.
 


Coolbreeze704

Well-known member
First Name
Bruce
Joined
Nov 23, 2019
Threads
15
Messages
1,412
Reaction score
3,762
Location
Troutman,NC
Vehicles
2022 Model Y, 23 Lightning, CyberTruck (someday)
Occupation
GM Manufactured Homes
Country flag
Honda and GM looking hard at this too. I think distribution of the hydrogen vs electricity might be a consumer factor. Once you get used to plugging in at home, going somewhere to get fuel seems archaic.

Do hydrogen vehicles still need batteries for storage?

Regardless of how they are powered, I think the real future of who “owns” the personal transportation market hinges on autonomous driving.
Great point on plugging at home. I love it and would be hesitant to have to go wait in lines again to fuel up.

Yes I believe on the battery storage. If I remember correctly hydrogen systems use battery packs also for storage.
 

Coolbreeze704

Well-known member
First Name
Bruce
Joined
Nov 23, 2019
Threads
15
Messages
1,412
Reaction score
3,762
Location
Troutman,NC
Vehicles
2022 Model Y, 23 Lightning, CyberTruck (someday)
Occupation
GM Manufactured Homes
Country flag
You know why Germany and Japan are pushing hydrogen?

They control all the limited and scarce hydrogen reserves!

Waiting, waiting
 

JBee

Well-known member
First Name
JB
Joined
Nov 22, 2019
Threads
18
Messages
4,795
Reaction score
6,174
Location
Australia
Vehicles
Cybertruck
Occupation
. Professional Hobbyist
Country flag
That article is a bit of a oxymoron.

It's still an electric vehicle, it's just that the electricity to drive the electric motor comes form a hydrogen fuel cell?

Fuel cells are more efficient than most ICE hydrogen engines of that smaller size. Although apparently Toyota still thinks hydrogen ICE is a good idea.

If anything just go renewable bio-methane fuel cell, and avoid all the hydrogen storage problems and you can use the existing Natural Gas infrastructure to pipe it around the country. Like they do in Germany, Sweden, Danemark and Switzerland already, and you can buy at gas stations there.
 

Tiberius

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 2, 2023
Threads
0
Messages
192
Reaction score
402
Location
Texas
Vehicles
Model 3
Occupation
Chief cook and bottlewasher
Country flag
I thought BMW cancelled the hydrogen engine back before 2010?
Last year they were piloting fuel cells with some X5 SUVs
Hardly them saying goodbye to anything :cool:
 

Jhodgesatmb

Well-known member
First Name
Jack
Joined
Dec 1, 2019
Threads
69
Messages
5,245
Reaction score
7,519
Location
San Francisco Bay area
Website
www.arbor-studios.com
Vehicles
Tesla Model Y LR, Tesla Model 3 LR
Occupation
Retired AI researcher
Country flag
I thought this was satire when I first read it, but I think they’re trying to be serious. 🧐



BMW says goodbye to electric cars. It has solved the problem of hydrogen engines and begins a new era

According to a recent report from Information Trends, hydrogen engines are likely to become the future of automobile transportation…


https://lagradaonline.com/en/bmw-hydrogen-engines/
There have been many evaluations of hydrogen-based fuel cell vehicles over the years. Apart from the volatility of hydrogen, the simple fact is that it takes electricity to produce hydrogen and that hydrogen is used to make electricity to power an otherwise electric drivetrain. So losses are simply compounded over a BEV solution. In order for hydrogren-based fuel cell vehicles to be better than BEVs the source of electricity to produce the hydrogen would have to be better than for BEVs, but at present time it is more likely that BEV electricity could be acquired through renewable resources than hydrogen, and most hydrogen-production methods are quite dirty. It is hard to imagine BMW, Toyota, or anyone really coming up with a hydrogen-based fuel cell vehicle that would be even close to BEVs, and so I cannot believe that it makes any difference, in the short/long run, what these manufacturers say.
 


Wraven

Well-known member
First Name
Doug
Joined
Oct 19, 2023
Threads
13
Messages
333
Reaction score
724
Location
San Antonio Texas
Vehicles
Foundations CyberBeast, M3P, MYP
Country flag
Is this some kind of new development because Hydrogen Engine and/or fuel cell cars still convert that into ELECTRICRICTY to power the ELECTRIC MOTORS.... So how is a vehicle that requires electricity as its primary motivator not still an EV? (HEV versus BEV?) Its like an EV with extra steps, and thus more complexity, maintenance and reliability issues?
 

REM

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 9, 2023
Threads
1
Messages
358
Reaction score
761
Location
NC
Vehicles
2020 Telsa Model 3 Standard Range+ Extra Supermega
Occupation
IT
Country flag
Hydrogen will be fantastic for the sea shipping industry.

Hydrogen is foolish for commuter vehicles.
 

ÆCIII

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 27, 2020
Threads
10
Messages
1,093
Reaction score
2,587
Location
USA
Vehicles
Model 3
Country flag
Hydrogen is an even worse sustainability process for local distribution, than delivering diesel with tanker trucks. Serious costs of heavy storage tanks with safety concerns, not to mention the costs and wastes of energy producing it, along with the expense of distributing it.

If hydrogen was such a great solution, then they would have have deployed as many hydrogen stations as Tesla has deployed superchargers by now.

MSM is always good at pie-in-the-sky narratives when EV or Tesla bashing agendas are being pushed. But I already ignore all MSM links anyway. That's the best advice.

- ÆCIII
 

fhteagle

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 28, 2022
Threads
5
Messages
298
Reaction score
680
Location
Telluride, CO
Vehicles
2013 Volt, CT Res x2
Country flag
Michael Barnard on CleanTechnica has done a pretty thorough job of debunking hydrogen as a fuel for basically anything. Hydrogen as an industrial input, especially for steel making, has a place. But it will be made and used in situ, not tankered or pipelined anywhere.

For everything else, there are better fuels or battery based solutions already in use, just need to scale.
Sponsored

 
 




Top