First FSD Strikeout - May not like my reading glasses on the end of my nose, maybe thinks I’m looking down?

[rudedawg78]

FSD gives driver profiles a safety score; the higher your score the less it will nag you.

Very cool. Is there any way to find out what your score is?

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[SCTesla]

Very cool. Is there any way to find out what your score is?

There's no score.

 

[rlhamil]

I think the issue is everyone thinks they are a better driver than average.
Others are idiots for texting and driving but people think they are good enough that they can do it carefully. And they can scan the road with their peripheral vision until…. the gods of chance smite thee and prove them wrong. The FSD monitoring logic isn’t impressed my our misguided arrogance and it’s made me a safer driver.

True enough to err on the side of safe. But still annoying.

Having had various non-driving experiences involving a priority but other tasks too which needed doing but could not distract from the priority, I'd risk the liability if I could adjust the 5 second or so nag interval up to even 10 seconds. But there are also times, like if I was tired, that I'd put the nag interval back down to 5 seconds. I leave the lane warning on when driving manually, even though I'd rather not be nagged when keeping my distance from something scary on one side has me riding the line other the other side.

That said, not all combinations one might juggle work, because some secondary activities are just too demanding of resources. And people differ, and safety precautions are aimed at the below average. We may all THINK we're above average, but some of us actually have to be, otherwise with all the nuts out there, the average would be lower than it is.

 

[rlhamil]

There's no score.

I think there's something, because Tesla insurance reportedly changes how much it charges based on how you drive. And some claim that having less strikes or warnings may make you eligible for earlier updates than even "advanced" gets you, although you might well also have to have something else going for you.

But it may not affect nag interval.

 

[REM]

Very cool. Is there any way to find out what your score is?

Probably not. Most features like this are "hidden in plain sight" because of the creep factor (how uneasy people would feel). Much like how Apple and Google know your bathroom habits better than you do because it's one of their key metrics of data that they keep in a database.

Most people would be SHOCKED on the amount of personal data these companies keep on them. Gigabytes worth at minimum (sometimes terabytes).

 

[REM]

Not sure if you're joking or not. I've seen no proof of this anywhere.

Not a joke at all. If you don't believe me, go fully read the "terms of service" that you agree to when you use any platform from any big data company.

Most people outside the business don't really have a frame of reference for these things.

 

[REM]

There's no score.

There is absolutely a score. A weighted score for your driver profile that Tesla keeps in a database. It has a LOT of info about you.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Received my first strikeout today. Got a warning to watch the road when I was grabbing something from the passenger side, so I’m guilty but I looked forward and then in quick succession a few more warnings, I don’t recall how many, and then a strikeout and no more FSD until I reach my destination when the attached message appeared saying I have four more chances. I’m wondering if it has trouble determining where I’m looking when I wear my reading glasses on the end of my nose… maybe it thinks I’m looking down, seems overly sensitive.

It sounds from your description like you are a driver that takes their eyes off the road a lot, and that you rationalize your behavior by pretending that it is always momentary. Tesla’s algorithm probably defines momentary more objectively. I have been caught by Teslas algorithm when I really was looking around. It only happened once but I felt sheepish for thinking that I could look around and enjoy the scenery. That was during the beta days though.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

You’re missing the point. “Supervised” or not, what is the purpose of a vehicle that drives itself if it requires more “supervision” than driving without it?

That is how it has been from the beginning. It has gotten less stressful since they relaxed the nagging but it has always required more effort than regular driving.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Depending on traffic, road, and conditions, I can drive manually just fine (might slow down a tad) with peripheral vision for 15 seconds or so, more than it will tolerate when "supervising".

But not everyone can multitask safely (requires strict priorities). So they're erring on the side of caution.

If you read the literature (e.g., https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7075496/) no one can really multitask in the computer science sense. Like a computer’s operating system we also time slice, but our time increment is much, much larger. In our (human) case it means that we don’t do any of the tasks as well as we would if we focused all of our attention on one at a time. Maybe you have been lucky so far.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

I got a strike by adjusting the heat in the rear and another one trying to see what the beeping was all about. They need to adjust the sensitivity. You can see the road while looking at the screen.

I can see the road if I only look at the top left of the screen. If I look further right or down I am taking my focus off the road. I think it is failing in the system that I have to look at the screen at all. That said, we don’t get strikes for looking at the screen; we get a warning. A strike happens when you disregard several warnings which means you took your eyes off the road for a long time (too long).

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

FSD gives driver profiles a safety score; the higher your score the less it will nag you.

I don’t know if your safety score (if that is what you are talking about) is used by FSD. I for one think that the safety score algorithm is very flawed.

 

[HaulingAss]

Is there a way to change the settings or turn something off so I can drive faster than 85? As when passing, etc…

Yes. You can disengage FSD to make a pass above 85 mph and then re-engage after the pass.

I was driving to Reno recently on rural 2 lane undivided highways well North of Reno at 72 mph on FSD when we approached a pickup going about 65 mph. FSD slowed to match the pickups pace for a few seconds then FSD put on the passing blinker right before moving into the oncoming lane and passing the slower pickup just like a person might do.

I didn't know FSD was already passing cars by using the oncoming traffic lane.

 

[DAE1]

That is how it has been from the beginning. It has gotten less stressful since they relaxed the nagging but it has always required more effort than regular driving.

I guess I was spoiled with auto-steer since that definitely did not; at least not on highways.

 

[rlhamil]

If you read the literature (e.g., https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7075496/) no one can really multitask in the computer science sense. Like a computer’s operating system we also time slice, but our time increment is much, much larger. In our (human) case it means that we don’t do any of the tasks as well as we would if we focused all of our attention on one at a time. Maybe you have been lucky so far.

We don't HAVE to; we're not perfect anyway. But if the delay to return your attention to where it's needed is about 1/10 of a second (usual reflex time for anything not very specifically anticipated), and you're not doing it in psycho traffic (idiots weaving at 75 MPH bumper to bumper on the NJ Turnpike), that's plenty of time. That's what hard realtime scheduling means, not instant, but a fixed upper bound on response time.

In my experience, if the less important task is too demanding, it's uncomfortable enough that I just don't do it. So unlike some people, I'm not a big fan of audiobooks UNLESS it's something I've already read, because otherwise following the story would be quite tiring while doing something else more important. But music, or a predictable talk show host, no problem.

Computers multitasked with hard realtime priorities, even back when then only had one CPU, by time-slicing with a hardware timer independent of I/O interrupts. Wasn't easy, they had multiple scheduler queues with different approaches (for realtime, by priority only for anything ready, pre-empting anything lesser; for non-realtime, for best total throughput; hint: interactive users (humans) were NEVER realtime and never noticed, they were too slow relative to even an 80's computer, although that was on character terminals, much less demanding than a graphical interface).

Still want the nag interval adjustable. Could be self-adjusting. And for some 13.x, just plain longer since it's modeling further out ahead. If I want to be a control freak, I can always go manual. But if I'm bored, it's probably going to do at least as well as I will even if I'm looking exactly where I'm supposed to be looking and following textbook procedure at all times. Not nearly enough going on in the easy spots to hold my attention fully on priority #1 for long. There's always tomorrow's schedule, that program I wanted to finish writing, that place I'll never go, and a few assorted other things getting some internal attention, regardless of where my eyes are. Hard to get to sleep sometimes...

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