FSD…..A VERY DANGEROUS SETTING

[Ken in Miami]

Thanks I was thinking where was the radar.

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[SCTesla]

Thanks I was thinking where was the radar.

There is one in the cabin to detect occupancy in the CT.

 

[dalton108]

Efficiency is poor at 85MPH

Rookie numbers! At 100mph the truck creates a paradox and any forward momentum is determined entirely by the infinite improbability drive unit.

 

[JackCypher]

Well, in fairness we’re not really seeing things in real time either. We’re about 100 or so milliseconds behind.

Completely true. I worked in space vision systems and Fly eye optic vision systems.

We as humans have more senses than simply vision to navigate the world. We have a very strong sense of 'continutity'...as you can walk in the dark in familiar places.

It is a very interesting field which Mother Nature solved in very efficient ways.

Regards
Jack

 

[LDRHAWKE]

If the speed limit is 85 - which is in limited stretches of highway- set the car FSD toguyry and let the car decide how to safely drive in the surrounding traffic - if your cybertruck is moving at 85 miles per hour - at the speed limit- than other drivers that wish to exceed the speed limit can go around your vehicle. These other cars are moving at dangerous and illegal speeds. So you’re upset that FSD won’t also accelerate your vehicle to illegal and therefore likely unsafe speeds. Put the truck in chill mode and sit back and relax and let the car drive in the slower lanes - safely. Your letting drivers violating the speed limit by 10 to 20 mph dictate your vehicles speed. The reality is over long distances - like 1,000 miles - your unlikely to maintain an average speed close to 85 miles per hour due to traffic conditions, stops to recharge, weather, speeed limits in the 70 miles per hour range are more prevalent. Worrying about traveling 90 plus mph for select sections of road on a 1,000 mile trip is simply pointless anxiety. Sit back and let the car do its thing. You just want the car to violate the max speed limit 10 if not more mph. Your simply a control guy that has issues handing control to FSD.

DRIVE YOURSELF - and drive as fast as you dare -

I am more concerned with FSD driving to close to the car ahead at all speeds. I would like a setting for setting setback from the car ahead and as speed rises this setback safe distance should expand.

Allowing the most foolhardy drivers to set your speed is simply foolish and could get you killed or at the minimum an expensive ticket.

Your not a good FSD candidate / save your $99 a month.

This is like having a conversation with my EX. It ends up having no relationship to the topic. Now I am a bad guy and should not even use FSD. There is absolutely nothing in your response that is on topic…..go back to the start. It is about a loud blaring alarm going off at the wrong time Is dangerous….in my opinion. This is like having a conversation with Rosanna Rosanna Dana.

By the way I love FSD. I use it 90% of my driving. I have it for life of my Foundation Series Beast.

 

[dalton108]

This is like having a conversation with my EX. It ends up having no relationship to the topic. Now I am a bad guy and should not even use FSD. There is absolutely nothing in your response that is on topic…..go back to the start. It is about a loud blaring alarm going off at the wrong time Is dangerous….in my opinion. This is like having a conversation with Rosanna Rosanna Dana.

By the way I love FSD. I use it 90% of my driving. I have it for life of my Foundation Series Beast.

Could you please stop yelling? This may be why she left you!

 

[SlegMD]

This thread was getting better without OP, darn

 

[LDRHAWKE]

Could you please stop yelling? This may be why she left you!

You must be a divorce lawyer if you think print size is yelling……

 

[Circ]

@OP: You’re complaining that many of the replies here are missing your point about the jarring nature of the warnings/strikes, and instead, they are discussing the flaws in your operation of the vehicle’s FSD feature.

I think that maybe you are missing the connection that it is fully within your power (and responsibility) to avoid actions that generate the vehicle’s response that you find scary/dangerous.

I appreciate that Tesla has programmed multiple levels of communication intensity to let me know just how serious or not its message to me is. Just as you like to use a giant font presumably to let people know you are very passionate about this, when the truck goes red - it wants you to pay attention!

I’ve only seen it a couple of times in two years of ownership and the first time it was a bit disorienting as I shifted the majority of my focus to the screen to see exactly what it wanted from me. However, I can’t imagine anyone has actually had an accident in their Cybertruck because of this. Just like any other sudden unexpected event while driving, if you can’t competently react to it then you shouldn’t be allowed to drive on public roads.

I think we should all enjoy FSD’s willingness to go with and even exceed the flow of traffic in excess of posted speed limits. I’m thinking that we may unfortunately lose that ability via government regulation before we are able to drop the “supervised“ aspect of this incredible technology.

 

[dalton108]

Still missing the point…..I am talking about the first time it happens…..which could be the last time, if not corrected.

Anybody who’s that incompetent behind the wheel should not be allowed to drive at all let alone be allowed to supervise an ADAS of any kind. FFS, most modern cruise control systems will screech at you in one manner or another when they want to get your attention because they think the situation has been become unsafe.

If your theory had any basis in fact, then emergency vehicles would all use a gentle breeze and soft whisper to get you to pull over instead of seizure inducing strobes, red and blue lights, deep sonic thumpers and blaring microphones if you’re too stupid to figure it out from the rest. By your logic we should all be dead!

At this point, I think you’ve done all you can with this attempted “PSA.”

I’m afraid your concerns have been (1) heard, (2) judged and (3) found wanting. You can always try again in a different venue such as a Wendy’s perhaps?

 

[TruckDaddy]

But I want to be able to push the accelerator at 85 mph without the system telling me it can't brake with the accelerator being pushed, and that system limits have been exceeded, and without getting strikes, and without my dog throwing me under the bus for extra strikes .

The passion at Wendy's is low.

 

[HaulingAss]

It is about a loud blaring alarm going off at the wrong time Is dangerous….in my opinion.

I'm just coming to terms with how someone accustomed to riding consecutive 1000 mile days on high performance motorcycles, sometimes over 1,800 miles in a single day, could find a loud alarm "dangerous".

It seems nonsensical.

 

[LDRHAWKE]

@OP: You’re complaining that many of the replies here are missing your point about the jarring nature of the warnings/strikes, and instead, they are discussing the flaws in your operation of the vehicle’s FSD feature.

I think that maybe you are missing the connection that it is fully within your power (and responsibility) to avoid actions that generate the vehicle’s response that you find scary/dangerous.

I appreciate that Tesla has programmed multiple levels of communication intensity to let me know just how serious or not its message to me is. Just as you like to use a giant font presumably to let people know you are very passionate about this, when the truck goes red - it wants you to pay attention!

I’ve only seen it a couple of times in two years of ownership and the first time it was a bit disorienting as I shifted the majority of my focus to the screen to see exactly what it wanted from me. However, I can’t imagine anyone has actually had an accident in their Cybertruck because of this. Just like any other sudden unexpected event while driving, if you can’t competently react to it then you shouldn’t be allowed to drive on public roads.

I think we should all enjoy FSD’s willingness to go with and even exceed the flow of traffic in excess of posted speed limits. I’m thinking that we may unfortunately lose that ability via government regulation before we are able to drop the “supervised“ aspect of this incredible technology.

Dear Rosanna, Rosanna Dana,

This is not about me for the umpteenth time. It is about a totally unnecessary alarm going off when you are in FSD having a car on your left and one 2 lengths behind you Playing a stupid game of keep up with Cyber Truck. You increase the speed 1 mph and the dash blinking red and loud blaring noise like your are on a ship being attacked. When all that is required is a slight beep and visual notication to slow down. There is no real emergency. It is only software that can easily be changed.

My thoughts when the alarm went off were simply this is unnecessary and could cause an accident with a less capable driver. It could a very dangerous situation.

As far as you and others making this into a personal attack on my intelligence and ability to drive. Now you are even insulting me that I shouldn’t be allowed to dive on public roads because of I live in fear of an alarm.


I have driven well over a million miles in cars and never had an accident. I have driven my motorcycles through every State in the Union except Hawaii, and even rode the Iron Butt Rally. I drove my motorcycle 2,043 certified miles in 24 hours when Montana didn’t have speed limits. I am a lic instrument rated pilot and have owned my own plane…a Piper Trubo Arrow. I own and captained by 40’ sailboat and came in third in the Daytona Bermuda race. I am very competent in handling difficult situations while on the move. So please stop this childish crap and complaining about print size…..OK

 

[LDRHAWKE]

I'm just coming to terms with how someone accustomed to riding consecutive 1000 mile days on high performance motorcycles, sometimes over 1,800 miles in a single day, could find a loud alarm "dangerous".

It seems nonsensical.

WARCHILD……………..how the hell have you been?

 

[JackCypher]

For me, it

Dear Rosanna, Rosanna Dana,

This is not about me for the umpteenth time. It is about a totally unnecessary alarm going off when you are in FSD having a car on your left and one 2 lengths behind you Playing a stupid game of keep up with Cyber Truck. You increase the speed 1 mph and the dash blinking red and loud blaring noise like your are on a ship being attacked. When all that is required is a slight beep and visual notication to slow down. There is no real emergency. It is only software that can easily be changed.

My thoughts when the alarm went off were simply this is unnecessary and could cause an accident with a less capable driver. It could a very dangerous situation.

As far as you and others making this into a personal attack on my intelligence and ability to drive. Now you are even insulting me that I shouldn’t be allowed to dive on public roads because of I live in fear of an alarm.


I have driven well over a million miles in cars and never had an accident. I have driven my motorcycles through every State in the Union except Hawaii, and even rode the Iron Butt Rally. I drove my motorcycle 2,043 certified miles in 24 hours when Montana didn’t have speed limits. I am a lic instrument rated pilot and have owned my own plane…a Piper Trubo Arrow. I own and captained by 40’ sailboat and came in third in the Daytona Bermuda race. I am very competent in handling difficult situations while on the move. So please stop this childish crap and complaining about print size…..OK

Your experience and response to the UI of FSD is a good example of how these systems have to interface to everyone in the potential audience.
As cars are made for 'everyone' to drive - including those who are 'not into cars' and 'don't enjoy driving' so there will be a ocean-wide response to how these systems work and should work.

No one is completely right or wrong. Our experience is the frame through which we operate in the world. [Some don't think they need to signal a lane change, some think other cars on the road are obstacles to navigate around.]

FSD's purpose is to aide in driving, lower the drivers burden of attention and eventually - take on the entire burden of driving.

As a minimum FSD needs to clearly communicate what it is doing, and what it's not doing so the driver knows where their responsibility lies.

I don't recall these types of discussions when Cruise Control was implemented, or automatic windshield wipers. Mainly because they have a clearly defined functional boundary.

I hope that Tesla monitors these forms and considers these experiences and impressions so FSD can be improved along with the User Experience.

These same issues are going to happen when robots arrive - I don't want them simply staring at me.

Regards
Jack

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