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absolute 0% for me. Just don't like it. To aggressive for my driving style. Yeah, yeah, I know about the settings. Did all those, still to aggressive.
Wait... too aggressive? I take over because it's too passive even on hurry mode. It stops for 2s at every stop sign when there is no one for miles.
 

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Since this AI brain drives so many cars on american roads, I wonder how useful the information is about the location of individual cars relative to each other in terms of increasing safety.
Would it basically make it impossible for two Tesla’s to have an accident or cause one another an accident by affecting other traffic? Could they use information from other Tesla car cameras to compensate for potential blind spots in traffic?
That could use a lot of bandwidth. I think a neat, inobtrusive first step could be to simply render the correct color of nearby Teslas on-screen. Thinking about it, Tesla could render my truck as stainless steel with a big Cerberus sitting in the bed snapping at other cars as I go by.
 

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That could use a lot of bandwidth. I think a neat, inobtrusive first step could be to simply render the correct color of nearby Teslas on-screen. Thinking about it, Tesla could render my truck as stainless steel with a big Cerberus sitting in the bed snapping at other cars as I go by.
Don’t think I’ve ever seen it display a Cybertruck graphic even when I drive next to them. Can it distinguish cars down to specific shapes or is it car, truck, motorcycle. Person only?
 

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I don't have a sub to FSD anyway. Maybe if Tesla gave me another trial on it I would check it then.
You know, I love the feel of my CyberTruck when I'm in the mood. The "drive by wire" steering, the acceleration, it feels good in the long sweepers. I own a Dodge Viper GTS which I loved to drive because of the torque, acceleration, speed, etc. I get it. However, I'm telling you, from version 12 FSD, to version 13 FSD, and now FSD 14.3, the everyday driveability of my CyberTruck has reached a point of "no-return" for me. It was promised to be a Robot on 4-wheels. It is indeed a Robot on 4-Wheels now. I talk to 007 like a person and his assistant "Eve" responds. She takes my questions, answers them, and creates a route to my destination where my only involvement is pressing the "Button" to drive. 007 sees everything around me, predicts bad driving behavior to avoid an accident, never gets distracted and always drives better than I ever could. You are missing out on the "future" and the absolute best feature of your CyberTruck.
 


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This is a sore point for me. I love driving the Cybertruck but FSD is so good that I end up using it most of the time. I'm at 93% FSD over the 1650 miles driven thus far. My not driving keeps my safety score hgh (currently 95) and if I drive it will almost certainly go down. Can't teach an old dogs new tricks applies. :)
 

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You know, I love the feel of my CyberTruck when I'm in the mood. The "drive by wire" steering, the acceleration, it feels good in the long sweepers. I own a Dodge Viper GTS which I loved to drive because of the torque, acceleration, speed, etc. I get it. However, I'm telling you, from version 12 FSD, to version 13 FSD, and now FSD 14.3, the everyday driveability of my CyberTruck has reached a point of "no-return" for me. It was promised to be a Robot on 4-wheels. It is indeed a Robot on 4-Wheels now. I talk to 007 like a person and his assistant "Eve" responds. She takes my questions, answers them, and creates a route to my destination where my only involvement is pressing the "Button" to drive. 007 sees everything around me, predicts bad driving behavior to avoid an accident, never gets distracted and always drives better than I ever could. You are missing out on the "future" and the absolute best feature of your CyberTruck.
I purchased in Feb this year and was able to roll over my FSD purchased license to the Cybertruck. Final straw was a demo drive on the Cybertruck and the criteria was FSD needed to be as good as it was on the 2025 Model Y. Fortunately FSD performed perfectly just like the Model Y and I pulled the trigger on the CYbertruck purchase that day Feb 5th. Received my Cybertruck on MArch 5th exactly 1 month later.

Best decision ever and I have a vehicle that I hope to own for a very long time. I'm even amused when rednecks and snowflakes flip me off. Guess that makes me a Redflake?? ... Snowneck? ... whatever dude!
 

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I am finding the piling on about someone not using FSD extremely weird and disconcerting though 😐
It's not that they don't use FSD, it's that they act like they know what FSD is like, but they are basing it on hardware that is 3 years outdated. 3 years is an eternity when it comes to AI!
 

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Wait... too aggressive? I take over because it's too passive even on hurry mode. It stops for 2s at every stop sign when there is no one for miles.
The latest FSD version only comes to a complete stop for less than a second. It's mandated by the government who is apparently looking out for us by using rules designed for humans that cannot look all directions at once.
 

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I purchased in Feb this year and was able to roll over my FSD purchased license to the Cybertruck. Final straw was a demo drive on the Cybertruck and the criteria was FSD needed to be as good as it was on the 2025 Model Y. Fortunately FSD performed perfectly just like the Model Y and I pulled the trigger on the CYbertruck purchase that day Feb 5th. Received my Cybertruck on MArch 5th exactly 1 month later.

Best decision ever and I have a vehicle that I hope to own for a very long time. I'm even amused when rednecks and snowflakes flip me off. Guess that makes me a Redflake?? ... Snowneck? ... whatever dude!
I have had issues living in a college town with "Elon Haters", and Alabama "Red Necks" *they hate the All-Electric*, though, I classify myself as a HillBilly. But, I know what I have. I know it is the most technologically advanced production vehicle on the road, the safest, most durable, and future-proof truck you can buy. 007 is a Robot with a Sexy British AI assistant and no hater, detractor, or jealous person is gonna rain on my Robot Parade. 😁
 


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Since this AI brain drives so many cars on american roads, I wonder how useful the information is about the location of individual cars relative to each other in terms of increasing safety.
Would it basically make it impossible for two Tesla’s to have an accident or cause one another an accident by affecting other traffic? Could they use information from other Tesla car cameras to compensate for potential blind spots in traffic?
The time delay for communication between cars would have to have very low latency to be something FSD could rely on. It would also fail if it assumed it had a link to every potential car in the area when, for whatever reason, it did not.

Tesla has designed the system to work like a human driver, only with superior awareness (cameras looking simultaneously in every direction) and with superior reaction times.

Mimicking what already works for humans, while addressing the failure points (slow reactions, inappropriate reactions and inattention to the need to react) is all that is necessary to stop the meat slaughter happening on roadways everywhere.

I saw an interesting documentary yesterday about how modern chainsaw chains were designed to cut so fast. Before the current design of opposing cutting teeth was developed, the best cutting chain available in 1945 was called a "scratcher chain". It was developed by humans who thought they knew the best way to cut wood (but it was very slow). A man who had a lot of experience using chainsaws of the day, but no formal education, noticed how quickly wood larvae could bore through trees. These are soft bodied, wormlike insects. Curious, he took some home in a jar to study with a magnifying glass. He saw they used two scoop shaped cutting teeth that were opposite each other, one to cut on the left side of the bore hole and one to cut on the right side. Current scratcher chains only cut in one direction, the direction of the cut.

These larvae had developed the ability to bore quickly over millions of years of evolution. He thought it a good idea to copy what already worked so well for the larvae. He bought a motorcycle chain and, in his rudimentary basement workshop, equipped only with a vice and a few hand tools, he fabricated cutting teeth that mimicked the larvae's cutting method and riveted them into the chain. After hand-sharpening the scoop shaped teeth he tested it out and found it cut much quicker, and with less energy, than the best chains of the day. Oregon Chains was born. Thanks to mimicking what already worked, and improving it by using harder cutting teeth and a higher tooth speed.

That's what Tesla is doing with FSD development, mimicking and improving what already works for human drivers. Humans don't use telepathy between all drivers in an area to determine what to do, they merely follow pre-ordained driving rules, look around and drive where it is safe. That's what FSD does, although with lower latency, improved vision, and constant attention.
 

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It's not that they don't use FSD, it's that they act like they know what FSD is like, but they are basing it on hardware that is 3 years outdated. 3 years is an eternity when it comes to AI!
As you say, the older FSD versions don't come close to the current ones. V12 was pretty good on my AI3 2022 Model Y but it's nowhere near v14.2.2.5 or v14.3.2 on the 2026 Model Y. My FSD use is 99% now but on older versions it was far less. The current versions are safer than human drivers. Had a 48 hour Cybertruck trial with v14.2.x and FSD was very good but not yet quite up to the 2026 Model Y with the same version. Probably will be soon though. Waiting with anticipation for my Cybertruck order which is supposed to be due Sept/Oct. Whenever though is OK, had an 11 month wait for my first Model Y. Not a problem. The Cybertruck has to be the most advanced and best driving vehicle ever made.
 

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The time delay for communication between cars would have to have very low latency to be something FSD could rely on. It would also fail if it assumed it had a link to every potential car in the area when, for whatever reason, it did not.

Tesla has designed the system to work like a human driver, only with superior awareness (cameras looking simultaneously in every direction) and with superior reaction times.

Mimicking what already works for humans, while addressing the failure points (slow reactions, inappropriate reactions and inattention to the need to react) is all that is necessary to stop the meat slaughter happening on roadways everywhere.

I saw an interesting documentary yesterday about how modern chainsaw chains were designed to cut so fast. Before the current design of opposing cutting teeth was developed, the best cutting chain available in 1945 was called a "scratcher chain". It was developed by humans who thought they knew the best way to cut wood (but it was very slow). A man who had a lot of experience using chainsaws of the day, but no formal education, noticed how quickly wood larvae could bore through trees. These are soft bodied, wormlike insects. Curious, he took some home in a jar to study with a magnifying glass. He saw they used two scoop shaped cutting teeth that were opposite each other, one to cut on the left side of the bore hole and one to cut on the right side. Current scratcher chains only cut in one direction, the direction of the cut.

These larvae had developed the ability to bore quickly over millions of years of evolution. He thought it a good idea to copy what already worked so well for the larvae. He bought a motorcycle chain and, in his rudimentary basement workshop, equipped only with a vice and a few hand tools, he fabricated cutting teeth that mimicked the larvae's cutting method and riveted them into the chain. After hand-sharpening the scoop shaped teeth he tested it out and found it cut much quicker, and with less energy, than the best chains of the day. Oregon Chains was born. Thanks to mimicking what already worked, and improving it by using harder cutting teeth and a higher tooth speed.

That's what Tesla is doing with FSD development, mimicking and improving what already works for human drivers. Humans don't use telepathy between all drivers in an area to determine what to do, they merely follow pre-ordained driving rules, look around and drive where it is safe. That's what FSD does, although with lower latency, improved vision, and constant attention.
Humans also use intuition though. Sometimes, I can figure out that a certain driver is new to the area and I know they are going to almost miss this next exit so I make room. FSD could overcome that shortcoming a bit by knowing where other FSD vehicles are on the road. It doesn't have to be instantaneous communication.

Scenario: You are driving at night. Ahead of you, a pair of tail lights swerves a bit to the left and then continues forward.

Human 1: That car must be going around an obstruction. I'll slow down to make sure I have decision space.

Human 2: "Oh shit!" {drops phone} does Moose maneouver to go around cardboard box. Over corrects. Plays the ping-pong game of "I don't want to flip this muthah" "Rubber side down!!!!"

Current FSD: Berp Berp Berp {phantom brake} slow down to 40, studder a little, move slightly over giving the driver a heart attack as he watches the box pass millimeters from the tires. Traffic slows as well creating a traffic wave that will last for hours.

Connected FSD: Debris on lane reported ahead, debris covers 10% of lane width. I will slowly move over to the left side of this lane to smoothly pass it at speed while not obstructing traffic.

Other Connected FSD in left lane: Debris ahead. I will ensure to not be directly beside someone as they approach the debris. If it is a connected FSD vehicle, we can take simultaneous action to move around the debris.




Dude behind the connected car: "Shit!" {drops phone...}
 

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Humans also use intuition though. Sometimes, I can figure out that a certain driver is new to the area and I know they are going to almost miss this next exit so I make room. FSD could overcome that shortcoming a bit by knowing where other FSD vehicles are on the road. It doesn't have to be instantaneous communication.

Scenario: You are driving at night. Ahead of you, a pair of tail lights swerves a bit to the left and then continues forward.

Human 1: That car must be going around an obstruction. I'll slow down to make sure I have decision space.

Human 2: "Oh shit!" {drops phone} does Moose maneouver to go around cardboard box. Over corrects. Plays the ping-pong game of "I don't want to flip this muthah" "Rubber side down!!!!"

Current FSD: Berp Berp Berp {phantom brake} slow down to 40, studder a little, move slightly over giving the driver a heart attack as he watches the box pass millimeters from the tires. Traffic slows as well creating a traffic wave that will last for hours.

Connected FSD: Debris on lane reported ahead, debris covers 10% of lane width. I will slowly move over to the left side of this lane to smoothly pass it at speed while not obstructing traffic.

Other Connected FSD in left lane: Debris ahead. I will ensure to not be directly beside someone as they approach the debris. If it is a connected FSD vehicle, we can take simultaneous action to move around the debris.




Dude behind the connected car: "Shit!" {drops phone...}
FSD works by "intuition". Full stop.

As it continues to get more powerful, it becomes increasingly intuitive. Intuition is not magic, it's simply connecting observable dots. That's literally how FSD works.
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